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153. Fake OOH ads | stressful pitching | brands & AR | Channel 4 in the US
Campaign features editor Matt Barker is joined in the studio by reporters Shuana Lewis and Charlotte Rawlings to chat about the ongoing controversy over mocked-up OOH campaigns, stress-related problems with pitching and Channel 4’s recent announcement that it will be partnering with streaming platforms in the US.
Tech editor Coral Cripps meets Will Scougal, founder and managing director Will Scougal, Isabel Perry, vice-president of emerging technology and partner at Dept and Rosh Singh, managing director of Unit19.
The quartet discuss what the future looks like for the AR landscape, how to help clients navigate the world of AR and some of their favourite AR campaigns that they’ve been involved with.
Further reading:
Should adland stop using outdoor mock-ups?
One in 10 agency staff has quit their job due to stress of pitching
Channel 4 makes international debut on ad-supported US platforms
We Are Social launches AR-focused agency
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64. What trends are shaping this year's Christmas ads season?
25:58||Season 4, Ep. 64Christmas has hit adland like a snowball in the face, with the festive ads coming in thick and fast, so what can be gleaned from the first phase of holiday advertising?In this episode of The Campaign Podcast, the editorial team break down the themes that emerged in the first batch of Christmas ads and the industry’s reaction to the campaigns so far. Tech and multimedia editor Lucy Shelley is joined in the studio by creativity and culture editor Gurjit Degun, deputy creativity and culture editor Charlotte Rawlings and editor Maisie McCabe.This episode was recorded last week, and discusses the following ads:John Lewis & Partners “Where love lives” by Saatchi & SaatchiSainsbury’s “The unexpected guest” by New Commercial ArtsMarks & Spencer Food “Traffic jamming” (in-house)M&S Fashion, Home and Beauty "Give the gift" by MotherTK Maxx "Festive Farm" by Wieden & Kennedy London (2023)Amazon "Joy ride" (in-house) (2023)Asda “A very merry Grinchmas” by Lucky GeneralsBoots “Gift happily ever after” by VML/The PharmFurther reading:Christmas 2025 round-up: watch all the festive adsJohn Lewis Christmas ad reaction: 'Soft nostalgia', 'middle of the pack', 'copy magic'‘We made the music the gift’: Saatchis and John Lewis on nostalgia, emotion and 1990s bangers'Brilliant brand fit' BFG stars in Sainsbury’s Christmas adWhat do you think of the first wave of Christmas ads?What are your hopes for this year’s crop of Christmas ads?
63. Do newsbrands matter to advertisers?
33:41||Season 4, Ep. 63Advertisers have been pulling investment from newsbrands and trusted journalism for years. The latest AA/Warc figures show that national and regional newsbrands, along with magazines, have suffered the steepest declines in adspend across all channels, while tech platforms continue to claim a growing share of the market.However, the figures suggest this decline will slow in 2026, and this year's Media Week Awards was a successful night for many newsbrands, including The Telegraph, which took home the coveted Sales Team of the Year.This episode of The Campaign Podcast asks whether advertisers are moving away from trusted journalism or alternatively whether newsbrands are fighting back and seeing a resurgence. James Bailey, UK chief executive of Dentsu’s iProspect, joins the episode alongside Adam Foley, chief executive of independent agency Bountiful Cow and former director of UK advertising for the Guardian as well as founder of the News Alliance, a cross-industry coalition to encourage advertisers to support trusted news and journalism.Hosted by Campaign's tech and multimedia editor Lucy Shelley, this episode includes UK editor-in-chief Gideon Spanier and deputy media editor Shauna Lewis.Further reading:'Utterly ruinous': media agency boss on the impact of ad blocking on news brandsMedia 360: Media industry is ‘sentencing news to death’ and ignoring its effectivenessMajority of execs believe brand safety in news harms advertisersAhead of Trump's second term, Meta to scrap fact-checking on Facebook and InstagramNews needs youMars and Unilever on 'moral and business responsibility' to improve online safety
62. Is there a new 'big four' in adland?
29:58||Season 4, Ep. 62WPP, Publicis Groupe, Omnicom, Interpublic, Havas and Dentsu have hitherto been known to adland as the "big six". However, the past year has brought the announcement of a proposed merger between Omnicom and IPG, while Havas and Dentsu have become comparatively smaller.So, the "big six" become the "big three", but is there another challenger? Accenture Song's latest results reported revenues of $20bn (£15bn) in the 12 months to August, putting it on par with Omnicom’s $16bn, Publicis’ €16bn ($19bn) and WPP’s £15bn ($20bn). The business has picked up the $42m media account for Optus in Australia and remains in the running for Jaguar Land Rover’s global integrated marketing account.With significant changes among the biggest holding companies continuing to shift the advertising landscape, some have questioned whether it is the end of the "big six", heralding the start of a new "big four". In this week's episode of The Campaign Podcast, Campaign's editor-in-chief Gideon Spanier, UK editor Maisie McCabe and media editor Beau Jackson, examine the potential outcomes. The episode is hosted by tech and multimedia editor Lucy Shelley.Further reading:Accenture is at a crossroads for its global agency ambitionsWhat's next for Accenture Song? CEO Ndidi Oteh at Campaign Live‘Song is changing Accenture’: CEO Ndidi Oteh on media, M&A and ‘Big Four’ agency rivalryOmnicom now ‘confident’ IPG deal will close in November as EU approval nearsYannick Bolloré on Havas’ Q3 ‘acceleration’, Dentsu’s assets and being ‘open’ to M&AHavas ‘could be interested’ to buy or partner with some of Dentsu’s international assetsArthur Sadoun on why Publicis is ‘winning’ and how ‘struggling’ rivals have dragged down agency valuations
61. Are marketers replacing agencies with AI?
20:37||Season 4, Ep. 61This episode of The Campaign Podcast explores whether marketers are using AI to do work traditionally done by their agencies and examines what clients are – and aren’t – doing with AI.It comes as Campaign launches the Power 100, the list of the most powerful marketers in the UK. This year they were asked questions designed to tease out where they are on their AI journeys.Presented by deputy editor Gemma Charles, guests on the podcast were premium content editor Nicola Merrifield, acting commissioning editor Louise Ridley and Will Hanschell, the co-founder and chief executive of generative AI platform Pencil that was acquired by The Brandtech Group in 2023.Further reading:Power 100 2025: AI – giving marketers 'superpowers'Power 100 2025: the full listCampaign Power 100 2025 Hall of Fame revealedAn inside job: when and how Power 100 marketers are going in-house
60. Is adland working for its junior staff?
28:51||Season 4, Ep. 60Campaign published its Faces to Watch list for 2025 last month and also canvassed the cohort on a range of topics both on and off-the-record. From hybrid-working and salary through to the rise of AI and diversity, the Faces – all of whom have worked in adland for eight years or less – gave their views freely.This episode not only dissects their thoughts but also offers the perspectives of adland leaders on the lot of their junior staff. Hosted by Campaign’s deputy editor Gemma Charles, this episode features deputy media editor Shauna Lewis, acting commissioning editor Louise Ridley and reporter Ezster Gurbicz.Among other issues, they discuss why juniors may have missed out by not starting their careers in the office due to Covid, the younger generation’s embrace of AI and the demise of hierarchical structures from yesteryear.Faces to Watch 2025: the full listFaces to Watch 2025: the AI adopters with a focus on diversityFaces to Watch 2025: Proportion 'very worried' about financial situation doublesFaces to Watch 2025: proportion in-office at least three days a week rises to over 80%Faces to Watch 2025: Drop in people experiencing bullying or harassment at workFaces to Watch 2025: Almost half think increasing use of AI in adland is positiveWhat would be your advice for this year’s Faces to Watch?
59. Why are diverse minds more suited to advertising?
27:25||Season 4, Ep. 59Neurodiversity exists in between 15 and 20% of UK adults, but recent All In data counts over half of adland’s UK workforce as neurodiverse, at 55%.This week is dyslexia awareness week, and to mark the occasion this episode looks into neurodiversity in adland, and how the industry supports people with different ways of thinking, both internally and in the ads it produces. Hosted by Campaign's tech and multimedia editor, this episode welcomes guest Wayne Deakin, former global executive creative director at Wolff Olins, as well as media editor Beau Jackson and deputy media editor Shauna Lewis from the Campaign.They discuss why advertising attracts people with different ways of thinking, how it impacts the work and the barriers and taboos that still exist making agency life challenging for those with neurodiversity.Further reading:‘More than just clothes’: Vanish builds on autism awareness workHow leaders can build a neurodiversity-friendly workplaceHow I got diagnosed with ADHD at age 38Great minds don’t think alike: How to tap the neurodivergent talent pool
58. What's next for Accenture Song? CEO Ndidi Oteh at Campaign Live
35:55||Season 4, Ep. 58Ndidi Oteh, the new global chief executive of Accenture Song, was interview on stage by Campaign's editor-in-chief Gideon Spanier at Campaign Live in her first UK interview.24 days into the new job, Oteh discussed navigating change and scale, plans to expand in media buying, and how the agency arm of consulting giant Accenture compares to the big holding companies. This episode features the full session from the event, with an introduction from Campaign's tech editor Lucy Shelley. Oteh divulged Song's acquisition strategy, focusing on talent and partnerships, and how the creative shop is actually changing the consultancy giant. Further reading:Four agency groups in race to win Jaguar Land Rover global marketing accountDentsu appoints bankers to seek buyers for international businessAccenture and WPP have discussed potential M&A dealWPP hires AKQA global CEO from AccentureAccenture Song dropped from TfL creative review for 'not meeting DEI criteria'Accenture Song appoints Ndidi Oteh as North America leadDavid Droga to step down as CEO of Accenture Song
57. Is there an ideal client mix?
26:38||Season 4, Ep. 57Cars, airlines, FMCG brands and banks used to be some of the most desirables clients to have for an agency. Some clients are still more desirable to agencies than others, but is it based on size, market, sector or another factor? In this episode, Campaign's editorial team question if prestige sectors still exist and to what extent agencies actually choose their clients. Tech editor Lucy Shelley hosts the episode alongside premium content editor Nicola Merrifield, news editor Will Green and editor Maisie McCabe.Further reading:‘Old-fashioned and irrelevant’: how the dominance of retained accounts is on the turn‘Take the learning from the losses and the fun from the wins’ – how agencies deal with losing a lucrative client
56. What will the next 70 years of commercial TV look like?
28:00||Season 4, Ep. 56Podcast: What will the next 70 years of commercial TV look like?This September, the UK celebrates 70 years of commercial TV since the launch of ITV on September 22 1955.A lot has changed since the very first TV ads. Not only are they now in full colour but the very definition of TV has evolved and keeps on changing with the addition of new formats and introduction of new digital competitors.In this episode, Campaign’s tech editor Lucy Shelley is joined by the Campaign editorial team to discuss how TV is adapting and defending its position in the media mix, how creativity has changed and what the next 70 years of TV will look like.She is joined by UK editor Maisie McCabe, deputy creativity and culture editor Charlotte Rawlings and media editor Beau Jackson.Watch some of the ads mentioned in this podcast below:Cadbury's Smash “Martians” Three “Pony”John Lewis “The long wait”John West “Bear”Guinness “Surfer”Cadbury's “Gorilla”Marmite “End Marmite neglect”Sony Bravia “Bouncy balls”Lloyds TSB “The journey to London 2012”