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#43-Take A Stand In What You Believe And Keep Going

Ep. 43

The Become Famous podcast is now Public Figure Society Podcast


Discovering what we are good at might be hard, but once we find that out, it is harder not to do anything with it. 


In this episode, a re-release from my previous show, Moving Beyond Your Tribe, we revisit my conversation with Patti Pao, Founder and CEO of Restoresea LLC. Patti has over 30 years of experience in the beauty industry and the mind behind creating over 400 products. After many years of thinking of herself as a terrible marketer, Patti discovered she was a pretty good one; she only needed to find her route to market.


Throughout this episode, we delve into how Patti created the first clinically-tested, naturally-derived anti-aging skincare line, thanks to her talent and innate curiosity. We also talk about her relationship with marketing and sales, her positive attitude, and her open-mindedness towards life and business opportunities.  


In addition, we learn about the questions every entrepreneur should ask themselves to ensure their business' success, how to be a wartime leader, and so much more. 


Tune into episode 4 of Become Famous For What You Do and learn more about connecting with your unique talent and getting the best out of it. 


In This Episode, You Will Learn:

  • About Patti's impressive career in the beauty industry (3:43)
  • We think we know something until we ask ourselves the right questions about it (10:47)
  • I found my route to market! Now what? (17:10)
  • The fantastic story of how Patti discovered the enzyme that helped create Restorsea (20:27)
  • Be open-minded, never say no to anything (35:45)


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