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Be More Pirate

Jamie Klingler

Season 2, Ep. 10

In this particularly special episode we're talking to Reclaim These Streets co-founder Jamie Klinger, a week after she was in the high court taking on the Met Police.


In 2021 Philadelphia native Jamie and a group of women founded Reclaim These Streets in response to the death of Sarah Everard, a 33 year old marketing executive who was raped and murdered by metropolitan police offer Wayne Couzens. The group organised a vigil for Sarah on Clapham Common in London which was then violently broken up by the police and several people were arrested.


The police cited breaches in coronavirus restrictions, but the group took the Met police to court o challenge them on the illegality of the vigil. We're honoured to have Jamie on the pod to explain the events in more detail, and talk more broadly about what fuelled her to take this on.


We think you'll agree that she is an absolute force, a pirate you'd be very happy to have on your side.

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