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The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

How Artists Get Paid From YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and the Rest

Season 5, Ep. 11

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Jamie Dee Hart is a music rights management advocate who’s passionate about giving back and educating creators at all levels of their career. She’s the Founder & CEO of Hart & Songs, an artist and rights management firm ensuring independent artists, producers, and songwriters properly register songs and effectively collect their royalties.


Jamie also manages Ryan Nealon, an LA-based pop singer-songwriter with a growing audience across TikTok and Instagram from several viral moments, as well as chill electronic producer Koresma who has over 100 million streams across all DSPs. Her past projects have encompassed a broad range of activities, from producing a live concert at Madison Square Garden for a Latin GRAMMY-nominated album to providing social media strategy guidance to breakout Clubhouse star Axel Mansoor during the app's explosive growth which was featured in the New York Times and Wall Street Journal. Jamie also received her Masters Degree in Music Entrepreneurial Studies from Azusa Pacific University and continually helps foster the next generation of young executives.


00:00 - Welcome

00:47 - Ari’s Intro

04:48 - Jamie Dee Hart and music rights management

06:52 - Copyrighting your music and making money from Youtube

20:44 - The publishing side on royalties

26:16 - Using a CMS to collect Youtube royalty money vs. a distributor

32:05 - Collecting money on other platforms

39:47 - UMG removing tracks from TikTok

51:36 - Jamie’s thoughts on building an artist’s career as an artist manager

01:05:09 - What does it mean to Jamie to make it in the New Music Business?


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Hart and Songs: https://www.hartandsongs.com/

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Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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