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Somewhere To Believe In

Empathy with Roman Krznaric

Season 1, Ep. 1

Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In, a brand new podcast from Greenbelt Festival. In our first episode, hosts Katherine and Paul dig into the topic of empathy with philosopher and friend of Greenbelt Festival Roman Krznaric.

We discuss why trying to understand how others see the world could have revolutionary power, and why now, more than ever, empathy is so important. Katherine and Paul also give you some behind the scenes insight into working at Greenbelt and the difficult but necessary decision to cancel this year’s festival.

We recorded this conversation with Roman and finalised this episode before the Government announced its £1.5bn rescue fund for the arts (early in July). So when, in this first episode, we air our worries about the arts being overlooked, we didn’t know this help was soon to come. We welcome it, of course. But we also know that the devil will be in the detail in terms of how this support actually translates across the sector.

Find links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.



Roman Krznaric is a public philosopher who writes about the power of ideas to change society. His new book, The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short Term World, was published in July 2020, and has been described by U2’s The Edge as ‘the book our children’s children will thank us for reading’.

Twitter: @romankrznaric



‘Empathy and the Revolution of Human Relationships’ Greenbelt talk by Roman Krznaric 

‘The Good Ancestor : How to Think Long Term in a Short-Term World’ by Roman Krznaric

The Empathy Museum

Today for Tomorrow

Doughnut Economics

‘Me and White Supremacy’ by Layla Saad



00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

01:55 - Katherine and Paul catch up

03:00 - Katherine and Paul reflect on cancelling Greenbelt Festival this year

08:50 - Introducing Roman Krznaric and his work

10:00 - Roman joins the conversation

10:30 - Roman on lockdown and homeschooling

12:30 - Roman on Greenbelt Festival and Greenbelters

13:35 - Roman on grassroots philosophy and empathy

19:00 - Talk Snippet from ‘Empathy and the Revolution of Human Relationships’

27:15 - Roman on empathy in the context of coronavirus

28:50 - Roman on empathy through time and space

32:20 - Roman on the empathy museum

33:00 - Roman on how we can be good ancestors

35:38 - Roman on what difference we can make

40:58 - Roman on empathy as a social movement

42:22 - Roman on empathy and racial justice

44:15 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Roman

52:12 - Katherine and Paul wrap up the episode

54:30 - Thank you’s

56:00 - Arts and Culture government funding update and reaction


A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.



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  • 3. Radicalism with Yvonne Ridley

    This week on the podcast it’s our absolute privilege to chat with Yvonne Ridley, a journalist and activist who has one of the most fascinating life stories we think you’ll ever hear. Plus, her very enthusiastic peacocks have their say, too.We talk about Yvonne’s experience as a prisoner of the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001, the promise she made to her captors to study Islam and read the Quran if they released her, and her unexpected faith journey thereafter, as she decided to leave the Christian faith and embrace Islam.Plus, as well as talking about her decades of work to combat harmful Muslim stereotypes, we dig into her relentless activism for issues as wide-ranging as Scottish independence, peace in Gaza, justice for Rohingya Muslims, and more generally, what it means to be a ‘radical’.Meanwhile, Katherine and Paul reflect on one year of podcasting – no, we can’t believe it either – and their potential new careers as daytime TV hosts.Links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.____ABOUT SISTER YVONNE RIDLEYBritish journalist Yvonne Ridley made global headlines when she was captured by the Taliban in 2001. Since then she has moved from London to Scotland, becoming active in the independence movement. She has published a number of books including her harrowing experience with the Taliban and another on the Rise of the Prophet Muhammad. She worked as a senior editor to establish Al Jazeera's English website in Qatar before returning to the UK to play central roles in the start up TV projects Islam Channel and Press TV. When she's not working as a journalist in humanitarian and conflict zones she writes historical fiction from her remote farm in the Scottish Borders. She was nominated for a Nobel peace prize in 2019 for humanitarian work involving Syrian women prisoners and helping Rohingya refugees compile evidence of war crimes.Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook____TAKE ACTIONFundraiser: Gaza Children's festival (Amos Trust)Fundraiser: Rebuild Gaza's Samir Mansour Book Store (Clive Stafford Smith)___LINKS AND RESOURCESFree Radical: Yvonne RidleyWhy is there a war in Afghanistan? The short, medium and long storyHistorical anti-war protest in London: 15 February 2003The Day I Realized I Would Never Find Weapons of Mass Destruction in IraqRespect PartyScottish National PartyAction for Independence All Under One BannerTimeline: the humanitarian impact of the Gaza blockadePeace Activist Boats Sail Into Gaza SandMyanmar Rohingya: What you need to know about the crisisMalak MattarClive Stafford Smith Podcast episodeReprieveBooks by Yvonne RidleyEden Burning____00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In00:47 - Katherine and Paul catch up04:50 - Introducing Yvonne Ridley06:32 - Yvonne Ridley joins the conversation06:42 - Yvonne on her animals07:44 - Yvonne on her experience in Afghanistan13:16 - Yvonne on pro-war propaganda17:37 - Yvonne on the movement against the Iraq War20:38 - Yvonne on ISIS and religious extremism22:04 - Yvonne on media accountability 25:50 - Yvonne on radicalism28:32 - Yvonne on grassroots politics32:28 - Yvonne on activism in Gaza 36:10 - Yvonne on Zionism 38:40 - Yvonne on being hopeful43:55 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Yvonne58:30 - Next week on the podcast59:21 - How to get in touch with us59:58 - Thank you’s01:00:48 - Hidden track____A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.____
  • 2. Dissent with Sister Teresa Forcades

    The second conversation in our ‘Keeping the faith’ series is with Sister Teresa Forcades who – with good reason – has been dubbed ‘Europe’s most radical nun’.Sister Teresa joins us from her Monastery on the mountain of Montserrat, near Barcelona in Catalonia, where she lives with thirty Catholic Benedictine sisters. We discuss her open criticism of the very Catholic Church she serves, her feminism, her politics, her general mission to speak out in order to create a more loving and fair society, and her experiences of being silenced for doing so.Plus, as a physician and expert in public health, it would have been rude not to ask Sister Teresa for her professional thoughts on the pandemic, the vaccination programme and the role of big pharmaceutical companies. Which, as you may have guessed already, she has a lot of alternative (some would say ‘controversial’) things to say about.Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Sister Teresa and Katherine, in particular, is taken aback by how refreshing Sister Teresa’s views are in comparison with her Catholic schooling. And Paul is reminded by Sister Teresa about just how important it is to be made to look more closely and think again.Links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.____ABOUT SISTER TERESA FORCADESTeresa Forcades i Vila (1966) is a physician, theologian and Benedictine nun in the mountain monastery of Sant Benet de Montserrat (Catalonia, Spain). Master of Divinity (Harvard, 1997), doctor in Medicine (U. Barcelona, 2004) and doctor in Sacred Theology (Facultat de Teologia de Catalunya, 2007). From 2015-18 she took a leave of absence from her monastery (exclaustration) to become politically active in the Catalan movement for independence. Since 2017 she has been the director of the journal of Christian critical thought Iglesia Viva and hosts a weekly radio program on Catalan radio. She is also the principal of the Sinclètica Monastic School of theology.Website___LINKS AND RESOURCESSister Teresa Forcades: Europe's most radical nunEurope: a Nun’s Eye View (2017) - Greenbelt recorded talkTeresa Forcades i Vila in conversation with Martin Wroe (2017) - Greenbelt recorded talkNúria Calduch - First woman appointed Secretary of Vatican Biblical CommissionJan Brueghel The Elder – The CrucifixionOn the Abolition of All Political Parties by Simone WeilA Letter Concerning Toleration by John LockeThe Peril of Not Vaccinating the WorldIvermectin for Covid-19____00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In00:49 - Katherine and Paul catch up03:01 - Introducing Sister Teresa Forcades05:50 - Sister Teresa joins the conversation06:19 - Sister Teresa on her monastery07:24 - Sister Teresa on young women wanting to become nuns12:19 - Sister Teresa on feminism, misogyny and sexuality22:00 - Sister Teresa on vaccines and public health31:14 - Sister Teresa on being silenced 33:40 - Sister Teresa on politics and democracy39:00 - Sister Teresa on church and politics 45:08 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Sister Teresa1:00:40 - How to get in touch with us1:01:25 - Thank you’s1:02:10 - Hidden track____A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.____