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Moving from force to radical purpose with Jose Leal

Season 6, Ep. 98

Jose Leal is an entrepreneur who reached the stage where corporate environments just didn't work. In this episode, we zoom way out to see the underlying intention of the systems that drive management and employee behavior, to see the roots. However, the simplicity of the solution takes a level of leadership consciousness and inner skills that can shift how people experience work. We cover why some won't make the shift, how young people are leading the way, and explore the honest emotion underpinning the systems in place.

Jose has founded or co-founded six companies. Autonet, his third startup, was acquired by a Canadian media conglomerate, where he became the vice president and GM of the English online division. During that time, Jose was also the vice-chair of the Canadian IAB and was highly involved in the industry. After a hiatus from the traditional startup scene, Jose co-founded Radical, a co-owned and co-managed organization helping people create organizations that meet their needs.

Jose has spent the last several years researching and studying what makes us human and what prompts us to certain actions and choices. "Our vision is a future where the traditional FIAT hierarchy no longer grinds people into submission but rather the new realities of co-management and co-ownership give people and organizations the opportunity to flourish."

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