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Graham Gouldman knows where to alphabetically file 10cc records
In March Graham Gouldman and 10cc are coming your way and here he talks to David Hepworth about:
- seeing Cliff and the original Shadows at his first live show
- playing live in the sixties, when a band would plug all three guitars into the same amp
- where he keeps his fifty guitars
- what’s going on when it all goes quiet on the 10.c.c. tour bus
- the songs you have to play for the audience
- the ones you play for yourself
- what goes through his head every night when he’s standing in the wings
- the proper place to put 10 cc in an alphabetical record collection
Full tour dates here: https://www.10cc.world/events
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16:08||Ep. 739The Waterboys’ new album comes with the magnificent title ‘Life, Death & Dennis Hopper’ and the band start touring in May. Mike Scott looks back here at the first gigs he ever saw and played and the performers he watched closely, which involves … the Stones “when they were still dangerous” and the connective genius of Mick Jagger, Dennis Hopper’s lost decade, Nazareth and Emerson Lake & Palmer at the Glasgow Apollo, a love affair with microphones, how not to look at the audience, the days when he wrote songs called ‘Freefall’, Joe Strummer singing on his back and McCartney’s crowd going “totally buck-mental”. Order Waterboys tickets here:https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/the-waterboys-tickets/artist/888869 Order the new Waterboys’ album ‘Life, Death & Dennis Hopper’ here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Death-Dennis-Hopper-Waterboys/dp/B0DQSK48PCFind out more about how to help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear738. The lost world of teenage love songs – and the best pop song ever written!
47:16||Ep. 738In eager pursuit of dance and merriment, we dust down the current events. Which this week involves …. … are teenagers no longer in love? And what does this mean for pop music? … are people better musicians now than 40 years ago? And is that because you can get online tutorials explaining how to play everything? … Paul McCartney taking two buses across Liverpool just to learn the chord of B7. … how the best pop songs start with someone walking into a room. … Ghana! India! New Zealand! The Caribbean! The King’s Spotify Playlist, a carefully chiselled love letter to the Commonwealth. … do couples still have “Our Tune”? And do they still request songs for each other on radio shows? … Neil Tennant’s memories of pre-Putin Russia – “we swept into Moscow in Gorbachev’s limousine”. … Thunder Road, And Then He Kissed Me, Wouldn’t It Be Nice and other magical songs about dating. … Amanda Seyfried does Joni Mitchell! … the best pop song ever written - and we know the answer! Plus birthday guest David Messer and two great Lou Reed live albums (“he heckles the hecklers!”). David and Mark’s One-Man Show in Wareham on April 4: https://loveitlocalmagazine.co.uk/events/one-man-show/ Neil Tennant’s piece about pre-Putin Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/mar/12/neil-tennant-pet-shop-boys-russia-putin-gay-club-mtvHelp us to find out more about how to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear737. Nik Kershaw remembers Live Aid, snoods, fingerless gloves & a sudden male-female audience shift
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