What Comes After What Comes Next
Telling stories with Barbara Kingsolver
This week James catches up with award winning author Barbara Kingsolver, whose work over the last three decades has eloquently and movingly touched on matters of genuine social and environmental concern.Most notably, Barbara's novel Flight Behaviour conveyed the impact of climate change on a community, an ecosystem and a species. The novel also draws out the tension that can exist between one's everyday life and the changes happening around us, of which we can feel powerless to address on our own. This is particularly evident in the life of the novel's main character, Dellarobia, who tries to make sense of the unexpected arrival of a flock of monarch butterflies and what it might mean for the future while struggling with the challenges of poverty and her own family. Running through Barbara's work over the last 30 years has been a real sense of place - from her early books in Arizona, to the Poisonwood Bible, to Flight Behaviour. She has also written a number of books with more than a passing reference to the natural world, including Small Wonder and Animal, Vegetable, Miracle.Most recently Barbara contributed a poem to a Time magazine special report called 2050: The Fight for the Earth, which provides a powerful look at the politics of consumption, equality, and climate change.Halfway through the episode Barbara treats us to a very special reading of the poem. Some of the most popular podcast episodes we've published so far have been those that look at climate change through a slightly different lens. In the last series it was legendary music producer Brian Eno who spoke to James about what different models and structures for making music can teach us about how to organise society and our politics. Today we are delighted to bring you another unique perspective on the role art and literature can play in helping address the climate crisis. As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback firstname.lastname@example.org.Follow James onTwitter,Facebook, andInstagram.
Why we must listen to indigenous voices with Hindou Oumarou Ibrahim
Season 2, Ep. 4
When Hindou Oumarou Ibrahim was a child, Lake Chad in her home country spanned 10,000 km2. Today, because of climate change, it is around a tenth of that size.As Hindou puts its "climate change is not about our future, it's about our present.”Hindou is an expert in the adaptation and mitigation of indigenous peoples to climate change. She is a member of the Mbororo pastoralist people in Chad and President of the Association for Indigenous Women and Peoples of Chad (AFPAT). Oumarou Ibrahim is an advocate for the greater inclusion of indigenous people and their knowledge and traditions in the global movement to fight the effects of climate change.Soon after we started talking Hindou reminded me that "when you are born an indigenous person, you are born an activist for the environment.”On the one hand, this is an upsetting conversation about the impact climate change is having right now on indigenous peoples all over the world. On the other hand, it is an inspiring, hopeful conversation about our capacity to build a better, cleaner, low carbon future. As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback email@example.com.Follow James onTwitter,Facebook, andInstagram.
The habitable earth with David Wallace-Wells
Season 2, Ep. 3
James catches up with author and journalist David Wallace-Wells. David's 2017 best-selling book The Uninhabitable Earth began with the now-famous line “it is worse, much worse, than you think.” It then goes on to set out in rich and forensic detail what the impacts of climate change could be for our politics, our culture, our economy, and our psychology. It's one hell of a book and comes highly recommended, especially as more and more countries come forward with emissions reduction pledges. The Uninhabitable Earth started life as an article for the New Yorker. Within a couple of days of publication, it was themost-read articlethe magazine had ever published. Four years after writing it, what gives David hope that we can avoid the worst impacts of the climate crisis and build a better, cleaner future for his young kids? As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback firstname.lastname@example.org.Follow James onTwitter,Facebook, andInstagram.
Climate science and protecting the "best" planet with Dr. Kate Marvel
Season 2, Ep. 2
This week James catches up with world-renowned climate scientist and science writer, Dr. Kate Marvel.Kate is research scientist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a professor at Columbia University’s Department of Applied Physics and Mathematics.One of the reasons for inviting Kate on the show was to get to the bottom of how a climate model works. How can we know with any certainty what we are doing to the planet – and why are there still some things that we do not know for sure? What role do the oceans play? Why a hotter planet is more conducive to natural disasters? What are the differences between a world that experiences a 2°C temperature increase as opposed to a 5°C temperature increase?As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback at email@example.com.Follow James onTwitter,Facebook, andInstagram.
Climate, geopolitics, and trade with Jeffrey Sachs
Season 2, Ep. 1
Kia ora!Welcome back for the second series of What Comes After What Comes Next, Aotearoa New Zealand's number one podcast about how we tackle the climate crisis and renew our economies in a post-pandemic world.To kick off series two James catches up with "probably the most important economist in the world"* Professor Jeffrey Sachs. *according to the New York Times, no less.James chatted to Jeff about climate change, global trade, and geo-politics. So, you know, just a couple of light topics to get you into series two. Hope you enjoy it. For those of you who do not know him, Professor Sachs is the Director of the Centre for Sustainable Development at Columbia University and over the course of his career has served as Special Advisor to three UN Secretaries-General.He has also authored some of the world’s most influential book on economics, development, and climate change, and counts President Biden and John Kerry as good friends.
Series Two Coming Soon!
Series two drops this Saturday. Look forward to joining you then!
Post-pandemic recovery with Bill McKibben
Season 1, Ep. 12
As we weather the economic storm of the COVID-19 pandemic, the climate crisis continues to loom large. We also face a biodiversity crisis and a crisis of deepening poverty.The good news is that all of these crises can be solved together and that is very much the message of this week's guest, Bill McKibben. And he certainly knows what he is talking about.In 1988, Bill wroteThe End of Nature -the first book for a common audience about global warming.He also co-founded 350.org, an international climate campaign that works in 188 countries around the world, including in Aotearoa New Zealand.I actually spoke to Bill in April, when Aotearoa New Zealand was in lockdown. So, whilst the day-to-day context has changed, the long-term issues we discuss are still very much with us.This is the final episode of series one of the podcast. We hope to be in a position to bring you series two very soon. In the meantime, enjoy this fascinating conversation with one of the world's leading environmental thinkers and activists.
Polarisation with Ezra Klein
Season 1, Ep. 11
With the US election just around the corner, James speaks to the journalist and political commentator Ezra Klein about political polarisation and climate change.Ezra is the founder and editor-at-large of Vox.com,the award-winning explanatory news organisation. He is the host of the excellent podcast theEzra Klein Show and recently published the book Why We’re Polarised, which draws from history, political science and psychology to carefully explain how different groups of Americans can see politics through such different lenses.Joe Biden said recently in his convention speech that “we can and we will deal with climate change.” I hope you find this episode helpful for understanding our current moment – what is at stake and what we can do about it.Follow James onTwitter,Facebook, andInstagram.
Climate action in the USA with former Senator Fran Pavley
Season 1, Ep. 10
The US is a leader on climate change – just not where you might think.Cities, states, and businesses are America’s climate innovators, deploying bottom-up solutions - and working with legislatures, city councils, and corporate boards to drive the transition to a low carbon economy.There is one state in particular that often comes to mind when thinking about climate action in the US, and that’s California.This week James talks to one of the architects of California's climate action - the former California State Senator Fran Pavley.Fran served 29 years in elected office including 14 years in the California Assembly and the State Senate, during which she authored some of the most significant climate policies anywhere in the US.This is a really interesting conversation that provides some hope about US leadership on climate change.Follow James onTwitter,Facebook, andInstagram.