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This episode is a conversation between Naz Cuguoğlu and Steve Dickison. Steve directed The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives at San Francisco State University from 1999 to 2024, and is a writer whose work engages deeply with poetry, criticism, and conversation. Naz is a curator of contemporary art, currently working at the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco, whose practice unfolds across exhibitions, research, and collaborative formats.In this episode, Steve and Naz come together around Etel Adnan’s The Arab Apocalypse, whose work sits at the heart of this conversation. Reflecting on poetry, sound, translation and the presence of “the hidden.” They speak of pausing, of breathing with the times we live in, and of calling Etel in—holding space for her work through friendship, care, and attention. The depth of their love for Etel and her work resonates throughout the conversation, carrying something that moves beyond language.To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.This episode is part of a mini-series,Choreographing the Apocalypse, which is guest curated by Mine Kaplangı, a Folkestone-based curator and art mediator from Istanbul. It forms part of their ongoing research into queer and trans imaginaries of the apocalypse(s). They will be inviting artists, thinkers, and somatic practitioners to explore apocalyptic thinking through speculative world-building and radically intimate frameworks.

This episode is a conversation with Black Quantum Futurism, an interdisciplinary practice founded by Rasheedah Phillips and Camae Ayewa (Moor Mother). Their work brings together quantum physics with Afrodiasporic understandings of time, space, ritual, text, and sound, creating frameworks for counter-histories and alternative futures. Rasheedah is a writer, artist, and housing advocate whose work explores temporalities and community futurisms through a Black futurist lens. Camae, also known as Moor Mother, is a musician, poet, and visual artist whose practice moves across sound, performance, and collaboration.Working with Camae and Rasheedah has been deeply formative for Mine Kaplangı, the curator of this episode. Their work shaped the programme co-curated at VSSL Studio, Entanglements of the Apocalypse, where they recently presented their solo exhibition Time Is On Our Side. This episode is an extension of that collaboration, and part of the exhibition’s public programme. In this conversation, they generously take us on a journey through their practice—how they met, how their collaboration began, and what has unfolded between then, now, and beyond. They share their thinking on time, black holes, and nonlinear temporalities, offering ways of understanding the apocalypse not as an ending, but as a site of transformation, delay, and return.A full transcript of this episode and links to further resources, including Black Quantum Futurism’s work and writings, can be found on our website.This episode is part of a mini-series, Choreographing the Apocalypse, which is guest curated by Mine Kaplangı, a Folkestone-based curator and art mediator from Istanbul. It forms part of their ongoing research into queer and trans imaginaries of the apocalypse(s). They will be inviting artists, thinkers, and somatic practitioners to explore apocalyptic thinking through speculative world-building and radically intimate frameworks.

This forms part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body".This episode is a conversation between artists Erika Sprey and Mala Kline. They have collaborated several times, and in this conversation you’ll hear them speaking from within their practices, which have specific cosmologies and belief systems that surround dreaming. The discussion explores their experiences of artistic and therapeutic techniques, drawing on many traditions and teachings from different cultures. To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.You can read more about Victoria's curation on our website.

This forms part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body".This episode is a conversation between artist María Jerez and choreographer Catalina Insignares. They discuss the fluidity of their artistic practices and their work with the body and identity. The concept of 'wonder' is explored in relation to their processes, and they talk about how it can act to counter cynicism and escape the restrictions of conventional knowledge. To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website. You can read more about Victoria's curation on our website.

This forms part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body".This episode is a response to Victoria's invitation from artist and researcher, Esperanza Collado and visual non-visual artist, Marta Azparren. To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website. You can also read more about Victoria's curation on our website.

This episode is a conversation between performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo, choreographer and artist Andrea Božić, and visual artist Julia Willms. Andrea and Julia have collaborated since 2003 making in-disciplinary works that re-organise space, attention and perception; exploring how spectatorship, imagination and spectacle are intertwined and embodied.The conversation was recorded in a studio in Amsterdam and together, they explore the nature and practice of capturing and interpreting dreams, they discuss research on dreams, dream logic, and the immersive virtual environments that dreams create.To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.This episode is part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body." You can read more about Victoria's curation on our website.