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Support Tours, Mental Health, the State of the Live Music Industry from a Booking Agent

Season 4, Ep. 27

Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


Learn more about Daniel McCartney: https://www.outlastrecords.com/


00:59 - Welcome

04:47 - Daniel’s focus on mental health for musicians

11:06 - What can musicians in need of mental health care do?

18:29 - Daniel’s role as a booking agent and the state of touring in 2023

33:21 - Opening slots for bands in larger shows

44:46 - Tour buy-ons for bands

55:03 - How to get an agent as a band?

58:28 - Outlast Records


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Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


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