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How extremists think with Gabrielle Rifkind

Season 1, Ep. 2

“People are not born extremists. What are the social circumstances that have created the ground for radicalisation?”


Turi talks with psychotherapist and conflict resolution expert Gabrielle Rfikind about what extremists think. What makes societies susceptible to radicalisation? Are people born extremists? How is Europe moving into a dangerous space? What does the UK response to coronavirus tell us about our political climate? 


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    43:12||Season 2, Ep. 25
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