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Women in National Security – episode 2
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Hosted by the ANU National Security College, the Women in National Security Conference is a forum on the participation of women in Australia’s future national security policy and practice.
From data to deterrence, new technologies to counter-terrorism, Indo-Pacific strategy to the future of power, this sold-out conference features a range of expert speakers to challenge yesterday’s assumptions – and the National Security Podcast is here to bring you the highlights.
This second episode is hosted by Gabrielle Kneipp and comes in two parts. First, Chris Farnham hears from conference convenor Jacinta Carroll about diversity in Australia’s national security community. Next, Jacinta Carroll talks to Nava Nuraniyah about the gender and social aspects of extremism in Southeast Asia.
Jacinta Carroll is the Director of National Security Policy at the ANU National Security College, and convenor of the Women in National Security Conference. Previously, Jacinta was the inaugural Head of the Counter-Terrorism Policy Centre at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, a position she held since August 2015.
Nava Nuraniyah is an analyst at the Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict (IPAC). Prior to joining IPAC, she worked as a terrorism analyst at the Centre of Excellence for National Security (CENS), a research unit of the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University, Singapore.
Chris Farnham is the presenter of the National Security Podcast. He joined the National Security College in June 2015 as Policy and Events Officer. His career focus has been on geopolitics with experience working in and out of China for a number of years as well as operating in Australia and Southeast Asia.
Gabrielle Kneipp is Executive Officer at the National Security College. She is currently on secondment from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and studying a Bachelor of Arts in International Studies/Communication in Journalism.
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This episode of the National Security Podcast was edited by Edwina Landale and Martyn Pearce.
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