The Making Good Podcast


Cities & the Internet of Nature, with Nadinè Galle & Sophie Nitoslawski

Ep. 7

This week's episode explores the promises of improved stewardship of the urban canopy using cutting edge technology. I was joined by Nadinè Galle, PhD candidate in Ecological Engineering and CEO & Co-Founder of Green City Watch, a geospatial AI firm and Sophie Nitoslawski PhD student at UBC and Research Director at the Internet of Nature.

Nadinè & Sophie's Internet of Nature startup seeks to overcome the urban fragmentation of mycorrhizal networks which have kept trees healthy and connected for millions of years. Their Internet of Nature start-up is a multi-city venture which incubates and deploys a network of sensors, algorithms and other tech tools to bridge the gap between increasing smart infrastructure and the need for increasingly robust green infrastructure. Extending and deepening the conversation I had with Cecil Konijnendijk, Nadinè & Sophie covered:

  • Why cities are so stressful for trees
  • The role of emerging technology in improving tree health, and the aims of The Internet of Nature
  • Why the value of trees goes UP over time
  • Why experts should be leading on tree planting drives, and what can go wrong when they aren't
  • Improving data sets: the pressing need for tree inventories
  • Why mid-size cities are often better innovators
  • How climate change is impacting city tree strategies

Their diverse work is housed at the new website -

Nadinè's TedTalk can be seen here

Nadinè and Sophie will be presenting a keynote presentation at the 4th Trees, People & The Built Environment conference (Birmingham, UK) - tickets available here




LINKS to show mentions

@hopejahren - Author of Lab Girl


The Outdoor Citizen - John Judge

The Second Machine Age - Erik Brynjolfsson & Andrew McAfee

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Decarbonising rail travel using community energy - Riding Sunbeams with Ollie Pendered

Ep. 6
This week’s guest is Ollie Pendered, Chief Executive of Community Energy South and founding partner of Riding Sunbeams, an incredibly exciting tech startup working with Network Rail to decarbonise rail travel in the UK. What makes it even more important is its triple bottom line approach to business and the potential it offer to link the rail network to community energy providers along the routes.I spoke with Ollie about his pioneering efforts in the early days of community energy before we moved on to his latest initiative for a deep dive into the process of powering trains with solar power. Its hard to know where to begin getting excited about this initiative which as you’ll hear is already in trial phase - reducing the reliance of rail travel on diesel, replacing the feed-in tariff for the countless communities adjacent to rail lines, and the potential spillover into other territories (India for example)and other travel and industry sectors.Ollie also talked to me about his work at the vanguard of efforts to improve energy security, end energy poverty and decarbonise electricity especially in rural areas, as well as the evolving outlook for regional organisation of energy investment.Talking points include- The early days of UK community energy & the transition town movement- Post-crash economic conditions and the financial rationale for private investment in public energy infrastructure- City-regions and the regionalisation of green investment- Rethinking nudges for adopting lower impact private journeys- How the train network is powered, its environmental impact and the engineering challenge of solar- How decarbonising policies at national level are driving grassroots initiatives- Wider applications - powering the water industry, Environment Agency’s multi-million pound water pumping annual outlay, luxury air travelLinks to some of the groups, organisations and individuals mentioned Possible (formerly 10:10)Riding SunbeamsImperial College Energy Futures LabOVESCOCommunity Energy SouthYongey Mingyur Rinposh