The Making Good Podcast


Healthy habitats: neuroscience & built environment, with Araceli Camargo

Ep. 16

This week’s guest is Araceli Camargo (@aracelicamargo_), cognitive neuroscientist with @TheCentricLab in London. Araceli joined me to talk about the emerging role of neuroscience in explaining how built environments can create pathologies in the people that live in them and what that means for the people affected. We talked about how every planner, architect, consultant and developer working in ways that shape the built environment are also - whether they know it or not - healthcare practitioners, and how this can and will increasingly shape the way we design and build the places that we live. 

Talking points:

  • What exactly is neuroscience, and how does it help us understand how people experience their (built) environment

  • What is biological inequality, how has it arisen and what are strategies for tackling it?

  • Why health isnt only (or even mainly) the absence of illness

  • Why construction phase is as critical as post-occupancy

  • Blame and self-esteem: what the pandemic has revealed about the role of authority and infrastructure in health outcomes, and what that suggests about personal responsibility for health outcomes


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Nature & culture in rapidly densifying Indian cities, with Prof Harini Nagendra

Ep. 17
Harini Nagendra is Professorof Sustainability at Azim Premji University in Karnataka, India. Her work explores the evolving relationship between people and nature in Indian cities, with publications including Nature in the City, Bengalaru in the Past, Present and Future (2016) and Cities and Canopies: Trees in Indian Cities(2019). We explored the way that ancient and more recent human activity helped shape the region's ecology and in particular the way that Bangalore's development has been informed by the need to manage scarce water resources - but also how the particularities of indigenous culture have lent a deeper everyday connection with and understanding of nature - and what (and how) we can learn from the way these challenges are being met.Talking points- the role nature in rapidly urbanising countries/densifying cities- animism and the spiritual connection with nature- how to engage with indigenous approaches to ecology, and how they improve upon colonial attitudes- ecological memory and forgetting in indian cities- how resource (water) scarcity and human activity to compensate for it has shaped Karnataka’s ecology and the regions’ priorities for modern GI interventions- medicine, food and scent as drivers of our experience of nature in the city- why citizen restoration movements rather than municipalities are the key drivers of ecological enhancement- how the pandemic story is unfolding in India, and the implications for social urban developmentLINKSProf Harini Nagendra - @HariniNagendraRobin Hobbs - Farseer Trilogy via bookshop.orgThe Nature of Cities