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Adventures in Publishing-land: Did AI Kill This Book? Plus: UK Authors Win AI Battle & BookTok Charts Go Official
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This week, we lead with the scandal that has the industry in a frenzy, with Hachette pulling the release of Mia Ballard’s horror novel Shy Girl after viral claims that the prose was generated by AI. We discuss the YouTube video with over a million views that started the fire, the author’s defense involving an "acquaintance," and what this means for the future of "human" storytelling.
Staying on AI (when don't we talk about AI?), we discuss the UK government's decision to axe plans for a broad AI copyright exception, and ask if this is a victory for authors. Plus, we chat about the announcement that NielsenIQ and TikTok are launching a monthly Top 20 chart in the UK that combines real sales data with social media engagement.
00:00 Intro
01:24 Victory for Authors - UK Scraps AI Exception
10:36 Not Shy of Shortcuts - Hachette Ditches AI Novel
22:46 Tok of the Pops - Official UK Chart launched
30:06 Off Script: Stranger Than Fiction
36:42 Final Chapter - Pitt-Perfect Drama
Links:
Axed AI Copyright Exemption Welcomed By Book Trade
Hachette Horror Novel Shy Girl Suspended
Official BookTok Chart Set to Launch in the UK
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