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Ep. 110 What If The Person You Loved Most Was The One Quietly Erasing You with Mia Hanks
In this gripping and courageous episode, Michele talks with Mia Hanks, a survivor of 29 years of covert narcissistic abuse. Now an author and advocate, Mia opens up about the subtle manipulation, control, and emotional gaslighting that kept her trapped in an invisible prison for nearly three decades.
Through her memoir Bride Made and her growing public platform, Mia is shining a light on what so many silently endure, and showing that freedom and healing are possible. Whether you’ve been through something similar or want to better understand and support someone who has, this conversation will stay with you.
[02:20] – Mia shares her story: 29 years married to a covert narcissist
[04:40] – What narcissistic abuse really looks like (and why it’s misunderstood)
[07:10] – How narcissism develops and why lack of empathy is the red flag
[09:30] – Total control: from finances to sleep and time
[12:00] – Why covert narcissists are the hardest to spot — and most dangerous
[14:30] – Can narcissists change? And why most don’t
[17:00] – The silent weapon of gaslighting and how it erodes self-trust
[19:45] – How abuse affects children and family dynamics
[22:10] – When physical symptoms show up from emotional stress
[24:40] – Is it narcissism, sociopathy, or something worse?
[27:00] – Why victims normalize abuse — and how to begin seeing clearly
[29:30] – Preparing to leave: finances, fear, and finding support
[32:00] – Mia’s exit strategy: what worked and what she wishes she knew
[34:40] – What helped most in healing: therapy, writing, and sharing
[37:10] – Learning to trust again, set boundaries, and rebuild self-worth
[39:50] – How covert narcissists protect their image through smear campaigns
[42:20] – Writing her memoir Bride Made — and why it’s not just for survivors
[44:40] – Final message: you’re not stuck — there’s life and healing after abuse
🔗 Connect with Mia Hanks:
- Website: miajhanks.com
- Memoir: Bride Made (available everywhere books are sold)
- Instagram: @mia.j.hanks
- Blog coming soon
- Bride Made: A Memoir is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target, Walmart, and more.
📱 Connect with Michele Simms:
- Website: thebeautyinthemess.com
- Instagram: @the.beauty.in.the.mess
- Facebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Community
🎧 If this episode helped you feel seen or sparked something new, share it with someone who needs it. You’re not alone — and you’re never too far gone to begin again.
#TheBeautyInTheMess #MiaHanks #NarcissisticAbuseRecovery #BrideMade #CovertNarcissism #Gaslighting #EmotionalHealing #WomensVoices
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133. Ep. 133 Carrying The Invisible Wounds of PTSD with Christiane Scarpino
49:54||Season 4, Ep. 133Most people imagine PTSD as something tied to combat or emergency work. What often gets overlooked are the quieter stories. The ones with the survivors who walk back into ordinary life with extraordinary wounds no one can see. In this episode, Christiane Scarpino, author of Missing Pieces, shares her experience surviving a terrorist bombing at 21, the aftermath of FBI and NYPD interrogation, and the 49 years of PTSD that followed. We talk about what PTSD actually feels like inside the body, how triggers show up in everyday life, the years she spent blaming herself for symptoms she didn’t understand, and what healing looks like for someone who never expected to live through the initial event, let alone the decades afterward. But this is not just a trauma story. It’s a resilience story. Christiane has built a life filled with advocacy, service, marriage, humor, and Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers. She is proof that healing is not about going back. It’s about learning to live forward. Whether you’re navigating trauma personally, loving someone who is, or working in a field where these experiences show up quietly, this episode expands the conversation around PTSD in an honest, compassionate, and human way. 05:10 – Surviving the terrorist bombing and the moment everything changed 09:40 – Three years of FBI and NYPD interrogation 14:15 – PTSD: symptoms, fear, and “feeling crazy” before diagnosis 18:25 – How triggers hide in plain sight 22:50 – Why PTSD doesn’t follow a timeline or expiration date 27:40 – The stigma of “you should be over this by now” 32:05 – Marriage, dogs, and rebuilding joy in a nervous system that never forgets 36:30 – Advocacy and why awareness still matters 40:50 – Writing Missing Pieces and telling the truth without sensationalizing 45:15 – What she wants PTSD survivors to hear right now ✨Connect with Christiane Scarpino:Book: Missing Pieces (memoir available via her site)Upcoming Work: PTSD self-help guide (in development)Website: https://www.christianescarpino.net✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
132. Ep. 132 Grief Is The Love You Can't Give Back with Jeaninne Escallier Kato
53:55||Season 4, Ep. 132Grief doesn’t follow rules or timelines. It shows up quietly, loudly, and sometimes all at once. In this deeply human conversation, author and educator Jeaninne Escallier Kato shares how losing two close friends during the pandemic sent her into what’s known as critical grief, a season marked by anxiety, fear of being alone, and the feeling of losing herself. What ultimately helped her find her way back wasn’t forcing positivity or rushing healing. It was creativity, storytelling, connection, and allowing grief to be honored instead of avoided. Jeaninne opens up about how writing, creating her television show Staging the Third Act, and embracing the later chapters of life helped her transform loss into meaning. This episode is a gentle companion for anyone navigating grief, anticipatory loss, or a season of transition. It’s a reminder that grief is not a problem to solve, but love that still deserves space. 04:45 – Jeaninne’s story and the losses that changed everything 08:30 – What “critical grief” looked like in real life 12:55 – Anxiety, fear of loss, and the struggle with being alone 17:20 – Asking for help and beginning counseling 22:10 – How creativity became a lifeline 27:00 – Creating Staging the Third Act as an act of healing 31:40 – Where love goes after someone dies 36:15 – Navigating anticipatory grief with her mother 41:10 – Aging, gratitude, and embracing life’s later chapters 46:05 – Turning pain into purpose 50:20 – What Jeaninne wants grieving listeners to know ✨Connect with Jeaninne Escallier Kato:Book: B.J.’s Promise: How My Dying Dog Found My True LoveTV Show: Staging the Third Act (Auburn Community Television & YouTube)Website: https://www.spokenlives.com/✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
131. Ep. 131 You Don't Need a Miracle; You Need a Mirror with Rob McCarthy
01:02:43||Season 4, Ep. 131This episode is not about motivation. It’s about ownership.Rob McCarthy got tired of hating the person he saw in the mirror and decided to stop living a life that wasn’t his. In this raw, unfiltered conversation, Rob breaks down how we inherit scripts from family, society, debt, and social media, and how those scripts quietly run our lives until we’re willing to confront them.We talk about small wins, fear, comparison, money, self-help lies, faith, discipline, and why real change doesn’t come from quotes or manifesting, but from brutal honesty and consistent action. If you’re done pretending and ready to take responsibility for your life, this episode will hit hard in the best way. 04:00 – Rob’s breaking point: hating the person in the mirror 06:45 – Living a life designed by everyone else 09:20 – Why most people care too much about opinions that don’t matter 12:10 – Criticism, fear, and releasing the book quietly 15:00 – Auditing your circle and cutting dead weight 18:30 – The biggest lies sold by the self-help industry 22:00 – Why motivation quotes don’t change lives 25:10 – Fear, excuses, and calling yourself out 29:30 – Debt, consumption, and financing self-worth 33:00 – Redefining success on your own terms 36:40 – Social media, comparison, and the modern “Colosseum” 40:30 – Faith, work, and personal responsibility 44:45 – Small wins and why they matter more than big goals 48:30 – “You don’t need a miracle. You need a mirror.” 51:30 – What to do when you don’t know where to start 55:00 – Where to find Rob’s book, podcast, and resources ✨Connect with Rob McCarthy:Book: F the Script: How to Own Your Sh*t and Rewrite Your Story Available on AmazonPodcast: F the StandardStand Store: https://stan.store/fts25✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
130. Ep. 130 How Your Primal Question Shapes Everything with Tonya Peck
43:13||Season 4, Ep. 130This conversation with Tonya Peck is one of those episodes that hits you in the chest in the best way possible. Tonya grew up in chaos, carried shame that never belonged to her, and spent years trying to outrun the emotional imprint of feeling unwanted. Her turning point came when she discovered the power of the Primal Question; the single emotional need that shapes how we love, lead, react, and relate. Now she’s a Primal Question Coach, a longtime healthcare professional, and a fitness instructor who teaches women how to break belief barriers and finally step into their God-given gifts. This episode dives into healing, identity, faith, emotional awareness, and why small shifts can change the entire direction of a life. It's honest, hopeful, and incredibly human. 04:40 — Tonya’s journey from a chaotic childhood to becoming a coach 08:10 — Teen pregnancy, loss, and the years she carried silent shame 13:05 — The moment she realized her story could help someone else 17:20 — What the seven Primal Questions are and why they matter 22:45 — Identifying your dominant emotional need 27:10 — Breaking belief barriers and stepping out of comfort zones 32:00 — How physical health ties directly to emotional healing 36:50 — Faith, forgiveness, and rebuilding self-worth 41:30 — Leadership, community, and accountability 45:40 — What Tonya wishes every woman knew about her own strength 50:00 — How to start healing your story today✨Connect with Tonya Peck:Website: https://motionandmindset.com/Instagram: @motionandmindset✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
129. Ep. 129 The Marriage School with Rachel Sachs
56:26||Season 4, Ep. 129In this episode of The Beauty in the Mess, Michele sits down with Rachel Sachs, co-director of The Marriage School. Rachel and her husband Daniel went from newlywed chaos and emotional disconnect to rebuilding their marriage with tools that actually work, not theories, not quick fixes, real skills. Rachel shares how they hit a breaking point after having kids, how their six-month program gave them a new foundation, and why so many couples think they’re failing when really, they’re just under-equipped. She talks about humility, communication, faith, the importance of community, and why genuine change only happens when both partners stop pointing fingers and start doing the work. If you’ve ever wished relationships came with a manual, this episode is your sign that help exists, and there’s nothing wrong with needing support. 00:02:10 – Rachel’s background: opera singer turned marriage educator 00:06:10 – The moment Rachel and Daniel realized they needed help 00:10:10 – “We realized we loved each other, but we didn’t know how to do marriage.” 00:14:10 – What The Marriage School is and why it works 00:18:10 – The pressure on couples after having kids 00:22:10 – Why emotional skills aren’t taught, and what happens when they are 00:26:10 – “No one ever changes when you point the finger at them.” 00:30:10 – Communication, humility, community, and real transformation 00:35:10 – How couples can start making shifts today ✨Connect with Rachel Sachs:Website: https://www.themarriageschool.orgPrograms & Workshops info: Available through their site✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
128. Ep. 128 From Near-Death To Next Level with Alan Lazaros
01:12:36||Season 4, Ep. 128In this episode of The Beauty in the Mess, Michele talks with Alan Lazaros, speaker, coach, and co-host of the global top 100 podcast Next Level University. At 26, Alan survived a head-on collision that became the wake-up call he didn’t know he needed. It forced him to face the trauma, insecurity, and people-pleasing patterns that shaped his life and pushed him into a deeper, more meaningful kind of personal growth. Alan breaks down his “four buckets of life,” how external success can hide deep internal emptiness, and why fulfillment requires honesty, consistency, and a willingness to look inward. He talks openly about trauma responses, the pressure to be “enough,” and the challenge of aligning your purpose with what the world actually pays for. If you’ve ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or like you’ve outgrown the life you’re living, this conversation gives you clarity, courage, and practical insight on what real transformation looks like. 00:02:20 – Alan’s early life, loss, and the roots of his trauma responses 00:07:20 – The car accident that changed everything 00:12:20 – From externally successful to internally empty 00:16:20 – Discovering personal development and questioning everything 00:20:20 – The four “buckets” of life and where people get stuck 00:25:20 – Trauma, insecurity, and why people stay in the wrong identity 00:30:20 – Aligning purpose with your real strengths 00:35:20 – Building fulfillment: habits, metrics, and self-awareness 00:40:20 – What real growth feels like over time ✨Connect with Alan Lazarus:Website: https://www.nextleveluniverse.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/Podcast: Next Level University✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
127. Ep. 127 Live UTI Free with Melissa Kramer
35:55||Season 4, Ep. 127In this episode of The Beauty In The Mess, Michele talks with Melissa Kramer, founder of Live UTI Free, a global patient-led initiative reshaping how urinary tract infections and pelvic health are understood and treated. After years of chronic UTIs, misdiagnosis, and dismissal, Melissa transformed her pain into purpose. She built one of the world’s most respected patient advocacy and research platforms, connecting medical professionals, researchers, and patients around the world. Melissa shares how she went from being unheard to leading a movement for better science, better care, and more compassionate healthcare. This conversation shines a light on the gender gap in medicine, the power of lived experience, and how advocacy can grow from the most personal places. If you’ve ever been dismissed by the medical system or felt like no one was listening, Melissa’s story will help you find your voice again. [00:02:15] Melissa’s story: from chronic UTI sufferer to advocate [00:07:15] Why women’s symptoms are often minimized or misunderstood [00:12:15] The founding of Live UTI Free and the power of community research [00:17:15] How to advocate for yourself in the doctor’s office [00:22:15] The emotional and physical toll of chronic illness [00:27:15] What real progress looks like in women’s health [00:32:15] Building bridges between patients, science, and policy [00:37:15] Finding hope through purpose and shared experience [00:42:15] Closing thoughts: breaking stigma and driving change ✨Connect with Melissa Kramer:Website: https://liveutifree.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/liveutifree/#LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissa-kramer-93714224/✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
126. Ep. 126 Becoming Who You Really Are with Doris Efford
44:05||Season 4, Ep. 126In this episode of The Beauty In The Mess, Michele talks with Doris Efford, a writer, speaker, and coach who helps women reclaim identity, self-worth, and emotional wholeness. Doris opens up about growing up disconnected from her true self, performing for approval, and the moment she realized she had to stop living for everyone else and start living honestly. She shares what identity healing actually looks like, why self-worth is at the core of change, and how faith, grace, and emotional resilience brought her back to herself. This episode is for anyone who has ever felt invisible, unworthy, or stuck in survival mode. 00:02:10 Doris’s early story and losing herself to expectations00:06:10 Identity, survival mode, and faith during hardship00:10:10 “Motivation isn’t enough” – why habits need a deeper why00:13:10 Self-worth and why people don’t choose themselves00:16:10 What healing actually looked like for Doris00:20:10 People-pleasing, shame, and being honest with yourself00:25:10 The role of God, grace, and emotional maturity00:30:10 How to stop performing and start being present in your life00:35:10 Final thoughts — identity, love, and choosing truth✨Connect with Doris Efford:· Email: hello@promptedcollective.com✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!
125. Ep. 125 You Are The CEO Of Your Own Health with Dana Sherwin
44:39||Season 4, Ep. 125In this episode of The Beauty in the Mess, Michele talks with Dana Sherwin, a healthcare executive turned patient advocate, who brings over 35 years of experience in healthcare administration, and a deeply personal story of survival. After facing a life-threatening illness and undergoing a stem cell transplant, Dana gained a rare perspective: what it’s like to move from managing care systems to navigating them as a patient. She shares what it truly means to take ownership of your health, from asking the right questions and building stronger communication with your providers, to organizing your own care and advocating for yourself when it matters most. Dana’s message is clear: you are the CEO of your own health. This episode is both practical and deeply human. It’s for anyone who’s ever felt lost in the medical system, overwhelmed by a diagnosis, or ready to take a more active role in their wellbeing. [00:02:25] Dana’s journey from healthcare executive to patient [00:06:25] The day everything changed [00:10:25] Facing fear and finding strength through uncertainty [00:14:25] How to communicate effectively with your doctor [00:18:25] Becoming your own advocate in a complex system [00:22:25] Coordinating your care and building a support team [00:27:25] What it means to be prepared before a crisis hits [00:33:25] Lessons from both sides of the healthcare system [00:38:25] Finding gratitude and growth through survival [00:43:25] Final reflections on courage, hope, and advocacy ✨Connect with Dana Sherwin:· Email: dana.sherwin@gmail.com· Resource: The Journal of Patient Experience (Open Access)· LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/desherwin/✨ Connect with Michele Simms:Website: thebeautyinthemess.comInstagram: @the.beauty.in.the.messLinkedIn: Michele SimmsFacebook Group: The Beauty in the Mess Podcast💬 Rate & Review· Loved this episode? Please consider leaving a 5-star review and sharing it with a friend!