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Episode 15: Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group

Season 1, Ep. 15

We have a very special edition of Tech Connects this time around. Dice’s latest Tech Salary Report just dropped, and we’re talking to Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group, the parent company of Dice, about the report’s takeaways. 


When it comes to tech professionals and salary, we’re in a very interesting moment. For example, the Report revealed that average tech salaries trended upward, increasing 2.3 percent to $111,348… and yet tech professionals are more dissatisfied with their salaries year-over-year. What’s behind that dissatisfaction, and how can budget-crunched companies overcome it if they can’t actually offer higher salaries? 


We’ll also dig into the layoffs at some of tech’s largest companies and how that contrasts with the low tech unemployment rate, the technologies that could define the industry in coming years, the nature of digital transformation, and much more. Let’s listen in! 

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