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From Penguin Random House to Building a Self-Published Fiction Universe with Nat Eliason

Listen to the full podcast here: https://bit.ly/SKMPNEliason


Join us for a new conversation with Nat Eliason in the first episode recorded in our new studio! Fresh off the launch of his self-published fiction debut, Husk, Nat gives us the inside scoop on the publishing world, the creative process, and why he's trading the non-fiction hustle for building fictional universes. Nat reflects on the importance of "friction" in a media landscape of short attention spans, the powerful reorientation he found in fatherhood, and the philosophical questions surrounding technology. This episode is a must-listen for aspiring authors, avid readers, and anyone interested in the future of storytelling and the enduring questions of the human experience.


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Substack: https://blog.nateliason.com

Book: Husk https://a.co/d/8527D1R


Books Mentioned:


  • Crypto Confidential by Nat Eliason
  • Husk by Nat Eliason
  • Atomic Habits by James Clear
  • Troubled by Rob Henderson
  • Trust Me, I’m Lying by Ryan Holiday
  • The Almanack of Naval Ravikant by Eric Jorgenson
  • Straw Dogs by John Gray
  • New Leviathans by John Gray
  • Feline Philosophy by John Gray
  • Dark Matter by Blake Crouch
  • Children of Dune by Frank Herbert
  • The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson
  • Red Rising series by Pierce Brown
  • The Will of the Many by James Islington
  • Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinniman
  • Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss
  • Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling
  • A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones by George R.R. Martin
  • One Piece by Eiichiro Oda
  • The Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin
  • Leviathan Wakes by James S.A. Corey
  • Empire of Silence by Christopher Ruocchio
  • The Four-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss
  • The Four-Hour Body by Tim Ferriss
  • The Four-Hour Chef by Tim Ferriss
  • Tools of Titans by Tim Ferriss
  • Tribe of Mentors by Tim Ferriss
  • 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene
  • Can’t Hurt Me by David Goggins
  • The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel
  • Murderbot Diaries by Martha Wells
  • The Dip by Seth Godin
  • Andromeda Strain by Michael Crichton
  • Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton
  • Timeline by Michael Crichton

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