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Should Student Protesters Be Arrested?
This week, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz discuss the increasing and increasingly violent campus protests of Israel’s war in Gaza, Emily’s article on How ‘History and Tradition’ Rulings Are Changing American Law, and South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem’s chances of a vice presidential nomination after killing her dog and writing about it.
Here are some notes and references from this week’s show:
April Rubin, Kavya Beheraj, Tory Lysik, and Will Chase for Axios: Mapped: Where pro – Palestinian student protesters have been arrested
Sharon Otterman and Santul Nerkar for The New York Times: As Protests Grow, Universities Choose Different Ways to End Unrest
Mary Harris for Slate’s What Next podcast: Columbia Cracks Down
The University of Chicago: Report on the University’s Role in Political and Social Action
Jonathan Chait for New York’s Intelligencer: Why the Right Loves the Anti-Israel Encampments
Abigail Hauslohner for The Washington Post: House passes antisemitism bill over complaints from First Amendment advocates
Alexander Bolton for The Hill: Democrats split over campus protest crackdown
Emily Bazelon for The New York Times: How ‘History and Tradition’ Rulings Are Changing American Law
Regulations on YouTube
Calvinball on Wikipedia
The Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law: A Conversation with Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Ian Millhiser for Vox: The Supreme Court appears poised to rein in its worst decision on guns
Ulysses S. Grant Revealed: President Ulysses S. Grant On The U.S. Constitution
Martin Pengelly for The Guardian: Trump VP contender Kristi Noem writes of killing dog – and goat – in new book
PBS American Experience: Nixon’s Checkers Speech
Marc A. Caputo for The Bulwark: Trump: ‘Marco has this residency problem.’
Here are this week’s chatters:
Emily: Gal Beckerman for The Atlantic: A Prominent Free-Speech Group Is Fighting for Its Life
John: Sonja Anderson for Smithsonian Magazine: This Newly Deciphered Papyrus Scroll Reveals the Location of Plato’s Grave
David: Kenny Holston for The New York Times: Inside a Navy Submarine Navigating the Arctic
Listener chatter from Christina in Philadelphia: Marina Bolotnikova for Vox: Mega drive-throughs explain everything wrong with American cities; Wikipedia: Third place; Jake Blumgart for The Philadelphia Inquirer: Starbucks plans a new Center City location with no restrooms or seating; and Marin Cogan for Vox: The deadliest road in America.
For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, David, John, and Emily talk with Professor Deborah Tuerkheimer about the Harvey Weinstein case in New York. See Hurubie Meko and Maia Coleman for The New York Times: Prosecutors Say They Plan to Retry Harvey Weinstein as Soon as the Fall and Maria Cramer: Here are five takeaways from the overturned conviction. See also Deborah Tuerkheimer for CNN: Reversal in Harvey Weinstein case isn’t the demise of sex crimes prosecution and Credible: Why We Doubt Accusers and Protect Abusers by Deborah Tuerkheimer.
In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with David E. Sanger about his new book, New Cold Wars: China’s Rise, Russia’s Invasion, and America’s Struggle to Defend the West.
Email your chatters, questions, and comments to gabfest@slate.com. (Messages may be referenced by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)
Podcast production by Cheyna Roth
Research by Julie Huygen
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Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz
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