Out of Hours: The Podcast

6/17/2022

Building a 50-year passion project: Vanishing Asia, with Kevin Kelly.

Sign up to the Out of Hours newsletter here.Today on the podcast we have Kevin Kelly - the founding editor of Wired Magazine. He co-founded Wired in 1993, and served as its Executive Editor for its first 7 years. He's also:-Written a New York Times bestseller on technology and written books on the economy and on decentralization. - Been the publisher and editor of Whole earth Catalogue - an American counterculture magazine.- Founded the popular Cool Tools website in 2003, which has published a cool tool every day for past 18 years. - Co-chair of the Long Now Foundation - which aims to provide a counterpoint to what it views as today's "faster/cheaper" mindset and to promote "slower/better" thinking.Kevin Kelly also has another side project - spanning over the past 50 years - where he has travelled to 35 Asian countries photographing the disappearing cultural traditions - and recently he put his curated works in a book called ‘Vanishing Asia’.Today we talk about everything from how and why he writes (and why he’s different from Neil Stephenson, the author of Snowcrash, who has to write every day). We also talk about why he’s interested in crypto and projects that don’t make sense, why he believes the centre of gravity of culture will move to Asia, why becoming too big as a company or too good at a skill holds you back, and why he wants to be a youtube star. I hope you enjoy!Buy Vanishing Asia here or check out Kevin Kelly's site.Or, sign up to the Out of Hours newsletter here, or email hello [at] outofhours.org.
5/6/2022

Palouse Mindfulness: Building a meditation course, with Dave Potter

Season 3, Ep. 2
Today on the show we have Dave Potter. Dave is a retired psychotherapist, and he specialises in anxiety, stress, and trauma. He created his side project, Palouse Mindfulness, when he was a working therapist, as a way to share a particular meditation practice that has changed his life, called Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction.MBSR, it’s a meditation therapy, originally designed for stress management, and it is used now for treating illnesses including depression, anxiety, chronic pain, cancer, diabetes and immune disorders.Dave Potter had been interested in meditation since the 70s, and received his training as a MBSR instructor while he was a therapist, through University of Massachusetts Medical School - which was actually where Jon Kabat-Zinn, the founder of MBSR, founded the Center for Mindfulness and began MBSR. MBSR is a life-changing course, but if done in person - like all courses it can be expensive. Dave wanted to create a free version of this life-changing course - to bring the lessons to everyone who needs it. Single-handedly he leant on his previous experience in software, to create the Palouse Mindfulness website. The result is a true labour of love. He has personally recorded meditation sessions, curated online teaching content, and painstakingly written up exercises and built the website - all for free - all so people who need it most can access the benefits of MBSR through a free self-paced course. It has helped thousands. Dave is an incredible person, and I was moved by this conversation. We talk about why people procrastinate with meditation, the benefits of starting something on the side, altruism, dealing with difficult situations and why meditation is as important as sleep.Check out Palouse Mindfulness here.Sign up to the Out of Hours Substack newsletter here