Out of Hours: The Podcast

Building purposeful work, through starting a side project or side hustle.

Welcome to the Out of Hours podcast - the podcast for those creating things that should exist in the world, out of hours.I’m Georgia Ritter, founder of, the community for people with side projects. On this

Palouse Mindfulness: Building a meditation course, with Dave Potter

Season 3, Ep. 2
Today on the show we have Dave Potter. Dave is a retired psychotherapist, and he specialises in anxiety, stress, and trauma. He created his side project, Palouse Mindfulness, when he was a working therapist, as a way to share a particular meditation practice that has changed his life, called Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction.MBSR, it’s a meditation therapy, originally designed for stress management, and it is used now for treating illnesses including depression, anxiety, chronic pain, cancer, diabetes and immune disorders.Dave Potter had been interested in meditation since the 70s, and received his training as a MBSR instructor while he was a therapist, through University of Massachusetts Medical School - which was actually where Jon Kabat-Zinn, the founder of MBSR, founded the Center for Mindfulness and began MBSR.MBSR is a life-changing course, but if done in person - like all courses it can be expensive. Dave wanted to create a free version of this life-changing course - to bring the lessons to everyone who needs it. Single-handedly he leant on his previous experience in software, to create the Palouse Mindfulness website. The result is a true labour of love. He has personally recorded meditation sessions, curated online teaching content, and painstakingly written up exercises and built the website - all for free - all so people who need it most can access the benefits of MBSR through a free self-paced course. It has helped thousands.Dave is an incredible person, and I was moved by this conversation. We talk about why people procrastinate with meditation, the benefits of starting something on the side, altruism, dealing with difficult situations and why meditation is as important as sleep.Check out Palouse Mindfulness here.Sign up to the Out of Hours Substack newsletter here

UsTwo & Monument Valley: Building a culture of side projects, with Matt Miller 'Mills'

Season 2, Ep. 12
A huge thank you to our sponsor TRIBE!TRIBE are one of the UK's leading plant-based nutrition brands.You can get your first pack for just£2(which includes shipping) atthis link( --> use the code "TRIBEOUTOFHOURS'".About the guestOur guest today is Matt Miller, better known as Mills. Mills is best known for co-founding digital design studio UsTwo, with his cofounder Synx. They have clients like Joe Wicks, Lego, Co-op, Google’s Deep Mind and Samsung to name just a few.Mills created a culture at UsTwo of experimentation, creativity and risk taking within the agency. They had 16 internal side project experiments, or as Mills likes to call them ‘succailures’. Learning from each one, as we tend to do with side projects, their learning culminated in the phenomenal success ‘Monument Valley’ - a game downloaded over 150 million times. The success of this experiment led to an entire new entity of UsTwo - UsTwo Games.He’s since stepped back from UsTwo, and we talk about his new life as an investor - investing in over 38 companies and challenging what it really means to be an ‘investor’, as well as his own side project adventures in podcasting.We also talk about what you need to create a successful game, why it matters to follow your curiosity, why it’s essential to have something outside your main work and his view on success and happiness.Join us on Out of HoursSign up to the Out of Hours newsletter here!Follow Mills:Check out UsTwo here.Check out Mills here

The Copy Club: Building a community for marketers, with Lottie Unwin.

Season 2, Ep. 11
A huge thank you to our sponsor TRIBE!TRIBE are one of the UK's leading plant-based nutrition brands.You can get your first pack for just£2(which includes shipping) atthis link( --> use the code "TRIBEOUTOFHOURS'".Join the next Out of Hours Circle:Create consistency, meet amazing people and reach your side project potential. Join here.About the guest:Today on the podcast we have Lottie Unwin, founder of The Copy Club. The Copy Club are a community of entrepreneurial people who work in marketing. The Copy Club run events, courses and recruitment for an ever-growing community of entrepreneurial marketeers.The Copy Club started as a solution to Lottie’s own problem. Having completed her graduate training at marketing powerhouse Proctor & Gamble, Lottie then joined Propercorn to lead their marketing efforts. Missing the support that P&G provided she quickly decided to seek out other connections who could help her on her journey - and she was soon regularly going for coffees and drinks with people doing similar roles in other companies. Copy Club started as a simple dinner - and it was only when she moved to India that she realised she had the beginnings of a business.Fast forward to today, she has a successful business that employs a team of ten, and runs courses, events and recruitment for start ups. We talk about why monetising feels so scary, why selling can feel gross (and how you can avoid that) and why it’s OK not to have a plan.To join the Out of Hours circle sign up here.