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Weekend Edition: Thinking beyond the deal

Season 9, Ep. 104

Friday 16th May 2025


Please note this communication is not a research report and has not been prepared by NAB Research analysts. Read the full disclaimer here.


It’s been a frantic week of deal making by the US President. Was this always part of the plan? To create a destabilising set of circumstances that whets the appetite for deals with the US? Phil asks Michael Feller whether that was the plan all along and, if so, are we over the worst of uncertainty, and should investors be planning for a renewed emphasis on global growth?


Michael is chief strategist at Geopolitical Strategy in Sydney, who advise firms about navigating environments just like this. He’s a former finance journalist, investment strategist and spent many years in government, as a diplomat in Singapore, as senior adviser to Malcolm Turnbull, and director of the Department of Foreigner Affairs and Trade.


Phil asks him, how should investors position themselves in a world dominated with tariff talk, but also riddled with geopolitical unrest, from Israel and Iran to Russia and Ukraine, and this last week, India and Pakistan? And should we prepare for a more multipolar world? That’s something that was emerging, says Michael, well before Trump returned to the White House. 

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