5. The Indigenous View: Protocols, Ceremony and Totem Poles

Season 1, Ep. 5
With Tyson Yunkaporta & Joe Martin (Tutakwisnapšiƛ). Today we’re joined by two master indigenous scholars and artists, who will be laying down clues from their ancestral cultures on how to interpret and read the laws of the land. Our first conversation is what he likes to call a yarn, with Tyson Yunkporta, Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and member of the Apalech Clan in far north Queensland, Australia. Tyson is the author of the book Sand Talk which was wildly successful, and I reckon part of its popularity is the way that Tyson is able to pack in such punchy wisdom along with his sharp-witted, trickster humor. We discuss how their lab collects data and knowledge through a very special indigenous sense-making protocol, and then applies it to issues like economic reform, broken landscapes, cyber safety and neuroscience. We delve into the importance of engaging with place, why a real ceremony is not all fun and games, and how the west can quit longing and start acting in rediscovering its own indigeneity.  We’ll then visit wisdom holder and elder Joe Martin, who will be speaking to us from British Columbia. Joe is a member of the Tla-o-qui-aht First Nation and is a master canoe and totem pole carver, with over seventy canoes having been whittled and chiselled away by his hands. Just earlier this July, he and his community raised a new totem pole in ceremony at the ancient village of Opitsaht which depicts his family’s teachings of natural law. I’ve uploaded videos of the totem poles in the show notes, where you can see how each pole carries millennia old myths, stories and teachings about the human relationship with forces like the bear, wolf, raven, sun, moon and stars.  I hope that both of these conversations will entice you to uncover and excavate your own family lineage, all the brimming folk tales and myths and lifeworlds held by your people and the land where your blood and cosmologies sprouted from. Episode Website Link:  Show Links: Deakin University Indigenous Knowledges Systems LabSand Talk bookIndigenous AI LabThe Other Others podcastFilm: The Canoe MakerBook: Making a Chaputs, The Teachings and Responsibilities of a Canoe MakerBC Achievement Award, Joe MartinJoe’s Facebook page Look out for meditations, poems, readings, and other snippets of inspiration in between episodes. Music: Electric Ethnicity by Igor Dvorkin, Duncan Pittock, Ellie Kidd & The Rising by Tryad CCPL

[Full Interview] Money: In Service of Nature? - with Eric Smith

Season 100
Eric Smith has spent his career working at the intersection of economics and nature.Most recently he was the director of the venture capital vehicle Neglected Climate Opportunities (NCO) at the Grantham Environmental Trust, where he co-led over 40 direct investments in start-ups across all stages that can remove carbon and GHG at scale.He was previously with SJF Ventures and worked for BlackRock on climate finance, and currently is Founder/CEO of Edacious, a company working to differentiate food quality and connect the dots between soil and human health.Eric is also a dear friend and someone with whom I often converse on our shared focus of investing on behalf of nature.We were both in Mexico for a climate investing conference and caught up, beachside sand rolling in, on everything from:His personal background in forestry and building certification frameworks around natural resource operations;Working in Costa Rica on their Payment for Ecosystem Services model;The tensions in regenerative agriculture and nature conservation;Why he supports EO Wilson’s Half Earth theory;If narrow metrics can ever be proxy enough for the complexity of a system;The intrinsic vs economic values of nature;Examples of start-ups and nature-serving businesses, and which ones are not suited for a venture capital model;And more… Episode Website Link: Show Links:Finance for Nature: Lifeworlds Resource PageRegenerative Economics: Lifeworlds Resource PageGrantham Trust: Neglected Climate OpportunitiesEdaciousTask Force on Climate-related Financial DisclosuresPayments for Environmental Services Program | Costa RicaStewardEntangled Life: How Fungi Make Our Worlds, Change Our Minds & Shape Our FuturesSPUN fungiEO Wilson FoundationGround EffectLook out for meditations, poems, readings, and other snippets of inspiration in between episodes.Music: Electric Ethnicity by Igor Dvorkin, Duncan Pittock, Ellie Kidd

[Full Interview] Money: In Service of Nature? - with Lorenzo de Rosensweig

Season 100
Lorenzo de Rosenzweig is what you might call an “OG” (original gangster) of the conservation finance world.An engineer and marine biologist by training, for 25 years he was president of a $170 million endowment conservation trust fund - the Mexican Fund for the Conservation of Nature - and for over 17 years he was chairman of the Mesoamerican Reef Fund. During his tenure in both institutions he led resource mobilization efforts that raised close to $410 million. He’s a member of the board of the Conservation Finance Alliance Executive Committee, the World Environment Center, The Healthy Reefs Initiative, and several other global trust funds.Now “retired” he has started up a new enterprise, Terra Habitus A.C. — a regional environmental fund for Northern Mexico, focused on private lands conservation, borderlands cooperation, regenerative ranching, resource mobilization and environmental journalism.Lorenzo is also a nature photographer and a watercolor artist, and is working on his first fiction book, a collection of illustrated essays on human nature and biodiversity called “Impossible animals in improbable environments”.With this long list of accolades, and a long-time friendship and mentorship between us, who better to dig into the tricky questions surrounding finance’s relationship to the living world?Join us as we talk about deep time and becoming a good ancestor; how to activate our senses and capacities to see the world for what it is; how to reconcile nature’s timelines with financial timelines; and some vivid tales on one lucky whale that saved a pelagic ecosystem from destruction. Episode Website Link: Show Links:Finance for Nature: Lifeworlds Resource PageRegenerative Economics: Lifeworlds Resource PageTerra HabitusMAR FundMexican Fund for the Conservation of NatureConservation Finance AllianceThe Good Ancestor BookLook out for meditations, poems, readings, and other snippets of inspiration in between episodes.Music: Electric Ethnicity by Igor Dvorkin, Duncan Pittock, Ellie Kidd

4. Money: In Service of Nature?

Season 1, Ep. 4
With Lorenzo de Rosensweig & Eric Smith.This week we’re asking whether it’s possible to support the lifeworlds of nature with the very same tools that have caused them harm. We’ll be joined by Lorenzo de Rosenzweig, who has headed Latin America’s largest nature conservation trusts for over three decades. And Eric Smith, from the Grantham Neglected Climate Opportunities Fund and Edacious, will talk about venture capital investing in nature based solutions.I’m interested in this topic because I invest capital in projects that regenerate nature through my vehicle Ground Effect. In that work I constantly encounter philosophical and practical tensions – namely that complex natural systems and the trillions of processes that enable life to exist can never be fully translated and priced by markets. Numbers and metrics can’t tell us about the touch of rough bark or the flutter of a beetle’s wing against our skin. And because money is fungible, it can often efface all distinctions and trigger the further commodification and abstraction of a living ecology. And yet finance can be used beneficially on behalf of nature. We can look at the maturing industry of biodiversity markets which attempt to move beyond single metrics like carbon, or debt for nature swaps, blue bonds, true cost accounting, payments for ecosystem services, and even more radical ideas like DAOs where nature owns itself. I’ve uploaded resources on the Lifeworlds library for those who want to go deeper on these innovations. Perhaps then, the conversation of “finance for nature” is about finding the right balance of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and acknowledging where the role of markets begins and ends in the wider spectrum of systems change.Show Links:Finance for Nature: Lifeworlds ResourceRegenerative Economics: Lifeworlds ResourceTerra HabitusMexican Fund for the Conservation of NatureConservation Finance AllianceGrantham Trust: Neglected Climate OpportunitiesEdaciousPayments for Environmental Services Program | Costa RicaStewardSPUN fungiGround EffectMusic: Electric Ethnicity by Igor Dvorkin, Duncan Pittock, Ellie Kidd & The Rising by Tryad CCPL