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Episode 206: Macron Unscripted
Today, Les, Jess, and Jamil discuss French President Emmanuel Macron’s visit to Beijing last week and the interview he gave to reporters during his flight home. In the interview, Macron emphasized the concept of European “strategic autonomy" and punted on the topic of Taiwan.
Does Macron speak for other European leaders? Did Macron just make Biden’s job of maintaining support to Ukraine harder? How happy did Macron's interview make the CCP?
Hear our experts debate these issues and more in less than 10 minutes on our latest episode of Fault Lines!
Want to learn more about this topic? Check out these articles that our experts used to frame our discussion:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/11/macron-taiwan-china/
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-skeptic-mps-emmanuel-macron-speak-europe/
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