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Ep 09 Bruce Dickinson and WaterBear, The College of Music

Ep. 9

This week I am joined by Bruce Dickinson, co-founder of WaterBear, The College of Music.

Bruce is cut from Rock and Roll cloth and I felt it was so important to hear this perspective of music education and thinking on our podcast.

Bruce was also a co-founder of BIMM but became aware that due to the incredibly rapid growth that he no longer felt in control of where it was headed and for Bruce it had become too big and so, in 2012 Bruce sold his interest and then in 2013, reformed his band, Little Angels for a Download Festival and subsequent tour.

However, Bruce felt that he still needed to be giving back to education and so in 2018, along with Adam Bushell, founded WaterBear, the College of Music. A WaterBear, if you don't know, is a Tardigrade, an incredibly small yet incredibly Resilient creature and indeed, Resilience and Mindfulness are components that are built into all of the curricula at WaterBear, The College of Music and student numbers and class sizes are also kept to tight limits.

Bruce and I discuss this plus reality shows, portfolio careers and opportunities within music.

Bruce also treats us to an exclusive reveal on a new venture for WaterBear .....

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