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Drum Tower: New jello, new nail

Twenty years ago Bill Clinton, then America’s president, joked that China would never be able to control the internet. “Like nailing jello to the wall” was how he described the party’s attempts to control the web. Yet it largely succeeded in creating an internet that serves its own purposes. Now, there is a new technology that could prove hard to nail too—artificial intelligence.


Alice Su, our senior China correspondent, and Don Weinland, our China business and finance editor ask: Will China be able to harness the power of generative AI? And can it nail this new jello to the wall? 


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