#2 - Zineb Hattab, from engineering to haute (vegan) cuisine

Season 1, Ep. 2
Zineb Hattab is one of those women who have had the courage to make a radical career change.

After having studied engineering for many years, she got stuck in a job which was too stable and secure for her taste.

Zineb - Zizi, as eveyone calls her, left her job a software engineer to become a chef. 

Fearless, convinced that hard work and determination would take her where she really wanted to be, the young Spanish woman knocked on the doors of the world's greatest chefs. And it worked!

Andreas Caminada, Massimo Bottura, Dan Barber or Daniela Sotto Ines, became her mentors. 

Having worked in starred restaurants all over the world, she returns to her city of adoption, Zurich, and creates the place of her dreams. The Kle Restaurant, an intimate vegan place in the heart of trendy Zurich is born.

Together we talk about her path, her choices and about the importance of education. She explains her choice of being vegan and the origins of her cuisine. We talk about the Covid crisis of course and you will hear us discuss the role of women in this still completely male-dominated sector.

So for all lovers of fine cuisine wanting to understand its secrets, those who believe in the richness of diversity, or those who also want to also make real career change, plug in your headphones and enjoy...

Time codes

4:13 Zizi’s mother as a brilliant figure 

05:02 Chefs and the medias 

06:27 How chefs can educate people 

07:43 The plant-based choice 

10:05 From a traditional to a vegan cuisine 

11:35 The perception of veganism

13:50 Adapting to the Covid threat 

16:00 Creating a team with as many women as men in a male-dominated environment 

17:51 A catalan childhood, with Moroccan parents 

19:51 Becoming a software engineer

21:14 Falling in love with Switzerland 

22:37 Shifting from engineering to gastronomy 

24:17 Money questions and first scares

26:01 The first gastronomic experience : with the chef Josean Alija, at Nerua (Spain)

27:02 Getting train by her mentor, Andreas Caminda (Schauenstein Castle, Switzerland) 

29:34 The magic and power of starred restaurants and their chefs 

31:29 The US experience : with Dan Barber (Blue Hill, NYC) and Daniela Soto-Innes (Cosme, NY), the best female chef in the world 

32:50 Gastronomy as the less hospitable place to work in

35:15 The mission of the chefs 

36:01 Kitchens, still vey much men dominated 

37:01 Women should empower women, always! 

39:07 Creating her own restaurant, in Zurich 

40:13 Zurich is becoming a gastronomic hub

42:21 The Kle Restaurant as a dining room with a mix of cultures 

45:44 Local producers 

46:50 Financing the restaurant 

48’18 The daily life of the chef 

51’24 Normalising eating plant-based as a goal 

52’24 Final questions 



Chefs & mentors 

  • Josean Alija, Nerua (Guggenheim, Bilbao, Spain) @joseanalija, 
  • Andreas Caminda (Schauenstein Castle, Fürstenaubruck, Switzerland) @andreas_caminada_schauenstein 
  • Dan Barber (Blue Hill, NYC), @chefdanbaber 
  • Daniela Soto-Innes (Cosme, NYC), @danielasotoinnes, @cosmenyc

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