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Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we're analyzing the Oscar-winning film "Everything Everywhere All At Once." We discuss how the main plot line of jumping between different universes could be interpreted as representing themes of trauma, immigration, midlife crises, and parent-child relationships, particularly if one or both parties are suffering from a mental illness like depression. We hope you enjoy!

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[00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fiori, a psychiatrist.

[00:12] Portia Pendleton: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker.

[00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyzed Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows.

[00:23] Portia Pendleton: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriend.

[00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there, and it drives us nuts.

[00:32] Portia Pendleton: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like.

[00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better.

[00:39] Portia Pendleton: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn.

[00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Hi.

[00:56] Portia Pendleton: So welcome back to another episode of Analyze Scripts, the podcast. Today we will be talking about the Oscar winning awards, you know, receiving all star cast again.

[01:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think we could call this a film.

[01:10] Portia Pendleton: Film. Yep. Iconic, interesting, curious.

[01:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: Can you guys guess what we're going to talk about?

[01:17] Portia Pendleton: Or it starts with an E. We're just, like, really teasing it everything, everywhere, all at once.

[01:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's also a lot of every word starts with a vowel. It's just interesting.

[01:27] Portia Pendleton: I actually used the title in therapy a couple of times, just talking about how an intrusive thought feels or someone experienced anxiety.

[01:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: And it being like, everywhere, everything, everywhere all at once. Oh, my God, porsche, that's a genius. You are a good therapist.

[01:47] Portia Pendleton: That's really fitting because that's how it feels.

[01:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Especially I could imagine people with OCD with these intrusive thoughts and trying to resist the compulsive behavior. That's how it feels. Wow. Good for you.

[02:01] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. And so I don't know, what does that say about the film? Or how did they pick that title.

[02:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: And what do they mean by that? Is that like, a reference to all the dimensions? I will say I watched this movie one and a half times. I tried to watch it again, but I just couldn't get through it before we recorded this. And I'm like, is this what it feels like to do acid, this movie? Or weren't you just sort of, like, really like, whoa, what is going on? At least that's how I felt watching it the first time, just kind of confused.

[02:36] Portia Pendleton: I felt like it was confusing until I had the storyline with Joy and her mom to latch onto and mom trying to help or save her daughter. And then I was like, okay, now I'm in the movie. Now I get it.

[02:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: So do you think there really are all those dimensions or that's, like, some say there are? Oh, you mean like some real people say they are? Oh, tell me about that.

[03:04] Portia Pendleton: I don't know. I just think that a lot of people maybe it's even a little bit similar to spirituality, like, helping you view the world from a different perspective that's less pressurized. Or there's all these different versions of you. There's all these different universes. What could be happening? It's not that serious.

[03:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, wow.

[03:24] Portia Pendleton: I think it's just like a way of thinking about yourself. And some of my clients, when they're experiencing intense emotions or something that is irrational but feels really hard, it's like, okay, and we're just floating on a rock. Let's kind of shift the perspective a little bit, if you can, not to diminish your problems and feelings. But sometimes I think it's helpful to think of things like that. Other times, for me, I think it's overwhelming and a little scary.

[03:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I feel, like, really anxious about that idea. That's really fascinating.

[03:57] Portia Pendleton: Yeah.

[03:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think we were trying to think about how to structure this episode, and we were struggling, which I think also just reflects the film.

[04:06] Portia Pendleton: Right.

[04:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: That it's so all over the place. You really can't predict what's going to happen next. She pushes those little headphones, and you're in the next place, and you're jumping from here. You got to be a gymnast to go here. And it's just, like, all over the place. But I think it's really fascinating, and I would like to watch it multiple more times, because I bet it's the kind of film where the more you watch it, I bet you get something different out of it every time. And I think from a mental health perspective, there's so many different lenses that you could analyze it through, which is just really interesting to me.

[04:43] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I mean, I think looking at it just from the storyline, I was laughing about just, like, the IRS looking so accurate. It's just so bland.

[04:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: It just makes such, like, a headache.

[04:55] Portia Pendleton: Right.

[04:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think we can all relate to taxes. And Jamie Lee Curtis, as Deirdre did such a good job in her costumes. And the second time I watched it, I noticed she has all of her little IRS awards lined up on her desk, and they all look very phallic.

[05:11] Portia Pendleton: Yes.

[05:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I'm just like, that makes sense because she's just, like, ******** people over left and right. It was just like those little details. And then when she eats the donut or she eats something, and it's really messy and all over the place, and it's just I don't know, it's just really interesting.

[05:30] Portia Pendleton: And it's like she's the villain, but she's also the villain in their tax story. So it's like, is this even real? Is this all just a dream that Evelyn's having? Because Deirdre is the bad person and Joy is struggling. Joy is detached, and it's like, again, another lens to look at it through. Was this a dream? Is this a trauma response?

[05:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is she disassociating? Did she take drugs? Is she having a midlife crisis? Yeah, you're right. Like, Deirdre is the clear villain, but then also, it's like Joy becomes the villain, and I think probably a lot of mothers feels that toward their teenage daughters, perhaps, or that you really get the sense, like they are just at odds, like they are just butting heads.

[06:20] Portia Pendleton: And Evelyn, I think you get like they really feel disconnected. Evelyn's having a hard time understanding Joy or Jobu, and vice versa, like the depression, the drive, the relationship that Joy has with her girlfriend. And I think it's interesting. So, again, there's another storyline.

[06:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is this just all about the mother struggles relationship? And also there's a clear cultural dynamic. And so I also thought, is this a commentary on immigration?

[06:54] Portia Pendleton: Right?

[06:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Because we see they're, like, trying to have this big celebration for Chinese New Year, I think, in their Laundromat. And you see through flashbacks how Raymond kind of convinced her to come to America with him. And then her parents, it sounds like, disowned her. And I don't think they would, like, answer the phone and all this stuff. And then somehow now her dad, I think his name is Gon Gong, is that right? Is visiting or living with them in his older age. It's not really clear. And you just see her so flustered trying to please him. Like, he likes his rice this way, don't overcook it. And, oh, no, now he's awake and he's going to criticize this. Raymond, stop with the googly eyes on the laundry. You just get the sense that she has felt so criticized for making her choices. And then she in turn is very critical of Joy.

[07:44] Portia Pendleton: Yes.

[07:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And even like, in that early scene when Joy and the girlfriend are, like, leaving the laundromat and her mom, Evelyn, comes up to her and is like, you need to watch. What do you read? You're getting too fat. You're just like oh. Ouch. Yeah, ouch. And like, why did she say that?

[08:05] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, and I think she, like, afterwards didn't like that.

[08:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: She said that, right? Yeah. And I think, like, at least what I interpreted from the film is like, at the beginning, you really see those struggles between Joy and Evelyn, and you see how Joy is really struggling to introduce her girlfriend to the grandfather and their native language. And Evelyn steps in and introduces the girlfriend as a friend. And that's, like, again, really damaging to Joy. But then it feels like by the end, evelyn has come to this place of better understanding and more acceptance. And in that way, I was like, this could also be a commentary on intergenerational trauma or even just like the way you communicate in your family and how you can shift that for the next generation if you're willing to be open and understand where your kids are coming from and work on it.

[09:00] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I mean, the theme through it a lot was like, nothing matters. And that's a common feeling when you are experiencing depression.

[09:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: And maybe for teenagers.

[09:12] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, no, absolutely. And so one of the lines in the movie is, if nothing matters, then the pain and guilt you feel goes away when they're like universe hopping. Some of the other things that they say, you're so capable of everything because you're so bad at everything. What else? You're not unlovable. There is always something to love. Joyce says I'm useless and alone. Evelyn we're all useless and alone. There's just a lot of again, that perspective taking.

[09:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: And it's being like we all feel this way times. I think she's out of high school. She's I would say, like, early 20s.

[09:54] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, maybe.

[09:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: But still in that early adulthood phase, which can be so hard and scary and isolating. Especially if you feel so different from your parents or from your family of origin, which I think a lot of second generation Americans might feel. Right. Like if your parents are trying to assimilate into American culture, even, like, the language in the house or with Joy having to come to the IRS to translate and all this stuff, I feel like I do hear this from a lot of my patients whose parents immigrated but who've been in America since birth, that there is this tension. And of course there is.

[10:37] Portia Pendleton: And there's also an inappropriate parentification, almost.

[10:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Of the child because you can navigate the culture exactly, language in a different way. And even, like, in the clothing they chose for the characters and stuff like that. Joy, before she's, like, the evil person and all dressed up, looks more like, quote, unquote American in her jeans and stuff like that.

[11:09] Portia Pendleton: How long would you say the first time you watched it? Did it take you to kind of get in and connect with any storyline?

[11:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: I feel like I had this reverse thing where I felt connected and in it more in the beginning. And then as we kept jumping from universe to universe in the middle, I was really confused and having a hard time following it. And then near the end, like, when Evelyn and Joy are really coming back together, I was like, okay, now I'm back. But it was hard for me to follow, I think, just because it's such a different movie than I'm used to watching. And it's cool. It's just different. Really unique.

[11:47] Portia Pendleton: Which, I mean, I think also speaks to why they won. I mean, what a concept. How do you come up with that? And I'm curious about the writers. Are we close or are we way off?

[11:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: What was the message they were trying to send? Yeah, I don't know. And I loved the actor who played Raymond Gosh. Now, of course, from The Goonies and from Indiana Jones. And then, I guess, at the Oscars. Harrison Ford gave him his Oscar, which is like, what a full circle moment.

[12:19] Portia Pendleton: So beautiful.

[12:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really cool. And, yeah, he was just really great in his role, too. Yeah, he did a great job.

[12:32] Portia Pendleton: So one of the moments that I actually cried at was when they were rocks. Do you remember that?

[12:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. And how they kind of held hands as rocks.

[12:42] Portia Pendleton: Yes. And they kind of, like, rolled over to each other. Yeah.

[12:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think Joy was like, mom, you don't have to be so close. Am I remembering that right?

[12:49] Portia Pendleton: The commentary between the two of them while they were rocks was, like, so beautiful. And I'm wondering if it was because there was nothing, right. It was devoid. So it was a universe where there was no light, there was no culture. Yeah. There was no barrier, no pain, just literally like, you're rocks, you're a rock. And is that why they were able to have the conversation that they were.

[13:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: Have they just connect?

[13:14] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, because there was just nothing in the way. There were no barriers. There were no expectations. It was just so beautiful. And then I was like, I can't believe I'm crying at rocks, but that's how powerful the writing or the context or what kind of put that up to that moment for me. I was laughing after.

[13:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, I agree. I had forgotten about that till you brought it up. But I did really love that moment, too. And then it's like, did all of that or any of that actually happen? Or was that like a journey Evelyn was going through in her mind, in a way, to try to connect with Joy? And was there something about Evelyn's dad being back in her life that sort of rocked Evelyn and made her rocked Evelyn? We were just talking about rocks and made her realize, like, it's now or never, like, I have to figure out how to connect with my daughter. I'm going to lose her, like, the way I lost my dad or, I don't know. Portia, what do you think? Do you think they really were in these universes, or is it a metaphor?

[14:21] Portia Pendleton: I think it's got to be a metaphor just because some of it's so unbelievable and in a good way. Like when they have the hot dogs for fingers in one of the universes, in that universe, Evelyn and Didro together. Yeah, like romantically. And then they're playing out all these other interesting things that Evelyn does get a little caught up in someone in some ways. Like, one, she's this actress. Another one, she's an opera singer. Another one she I don't know, had stayed with her family. And then in another way, Waymond is like, rich, and they are together and then they're not. Or then they meet and they used to be friends, and she gets stuck a little bit and then it says Waymond.

[15:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, I think that's right. I mispronounced.

[15:08] Portia Pendleton: Okay. Because I was like, I'm not just having a hard time saying my r yeah. So he is like, don't get stuck here. He's like, snapping her out of it, like trying to get her to jump again. I thought how you jump was interesting. It's like you needed to get it.

[15:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Was either, like, a little bit of.

[15:23] Portia Pendleton: Pain and almost like a body shock. One time it was a sneeze paper cut. That's what happened. Or that's what helps you jump universes.

[15:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: But also it's like, those sort of experiences or emotions that come from the experience of, like, a sneeze, a paper cut, like she was saying, you can't intentionally correct feel. So somehow you have to be present with the feeling that comes from this natural, random thing. Fascinating. And then there was the time where she had to say to Deirdre, I love you, but really mean it. And so it was really tied into deep, authentic emotions, being able to jump from universe to universe, which maybe she.

[16:03] Portia Pendleton: Hasn'T been able to feel.

[16:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's where I kept seeing this as more of, like, trauma or even just thinking about Evelyn. She's probably what, her 40s or 50s, been married now. Her daughter got her through school. Now she's a young adult. They're struggling to connect. I was like, I feel like this is her kind of being like, this is my life, like, taxes and this laundromat, and this is it. And then these universes as being, like, alternative realities, like, well, what if I'd made this choice? I could have been here. What if I'd done that? I could have been here. And she's just sort of, like, so in her head about it. And I think that's when Wayman is like, I can't connect with you unless it's, like, a crisis. And so he has these divorce papers. I thought it was fascinating when the divorce paper but on the other side of it, at the beginning, was, like, the directions for how to jump from universe to universe. And when she was like, You've seen this before? Yeah, when he's just like, yes. It's normal, I think, to think about stuff like that as you are at different stages of your life, probably when you've been in a committed relationship for so long, I think it's pretty normal to have points where you're like and.

[17:20] Portia Pendleton: When things just get really predictable. This is what I do every single day, and there's nothing that deviates from it besides going to the IRS, which is a soul sucking I didn't even.

[17:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Know you could actually go. Right.

[17:37] Portia Pendleton: Can you? I know there's buildings where people work.

[17:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I was like, God, how scary to go do your taxes like that in person. That just sounds so scary to me. When they had to bring her dad and then Waymond, though, when they're walking and he sees an older couple who clearly is still in love, and you can just really feel that yearning in him that I think he does love her, and he's kind of like, why are you so disconnected? And maybe Evelyn's depressed.

[18:11] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, because I think Waymond is so silly and lively eyes. That's how he keeps it lively. And I think at some point, I would guess that Evelyn was matching him or thought was commenting on his silliness or enjoying it. And it's like she's so kind of, like, deadpanned flat, like, nonreactive not, like, interacting with him or being like, oh, that's funny. It's like, stop doing that. That's annoying.

[18:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: But also, she's the one doing the taxes, so you're like, is he the silly, fun one? But then he doesn't pick up the responsibility side of things on her, and so maybe she is feeling resentful or frustrated with him. Right. Maybe she is sick of the googly eyes because they're in debt, but then it's like they're in debt because she was, like, putting karaoke machines and stuff, like, on the business. Yeah.

[19:05] Portia Pendleton: All right, portia.

[19:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, you know, we don't have, like, sponsors or or anything like that yet, but maybe someday we will. And if we did, this is where they would go. So what kind of sponsor would you like to see?

[19:18] Portia Pendleton: I think really anything that is, like, I want to use, like, spindrift, sparkling water.

[19:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: I would love for that to sponsor us.

[19:28] Portia Pendleton: You love that you have them all the time. All the time. So what else would I like? I feel like I don't wear a lot of makeup daily, but I am like a makeup. Get ready with me, girly. I love watching that stuff. So any makeup brand want to send me something? Even though you can't see us, that maybe is problematic.

[19:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: What else? Again, like, on the delusions of all grandiose delusions on our vision board is an airline with the lay flat seat. I really want to take a flight and lay down.

[19:57] Portia Pendleton: I mean, if you're going to go big, maybe you should just do Emirates.

[20:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: And you don't actually have to take me anywhere. We'll just lay down, go up in the air, circle around a couple times, and we can come down. But that's my ultimate sponsor dream. So this is where you'd hear a commercial. If we had them so far, we don't, but keep subscribing if you don't.

[20:26] Portia Pendleton: So then we have this, again, like, metaphor of the everything bagel.

[20:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes.

[20:34] Portia Pendleton: And so Jobu is kind of like it seems almost jobu, the evil joy. Yeah.

[20:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay.

[20:42] Portia Pendleton: She has this, like, almost what I would call it palace. Castle. Whatever. You see it. But this bagel is, like, in this room that's, like, special, and it's, like, behind this curtain, and it's raised, and.

[20:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: It'S like the wizard of Oz.

[20:58] Portia Pendleton: Again, it's trying to suck Jobu in, or I'm thinking of it this way, depression. It has already taken joy, and now it's Jobu, because Jobu looked at it. Right. And she's trying to get Evelyn to and if you look at it, you go in, it changes everything, sucks everything it sucks everything out of you. Jobu can now be in every single she sees right. Every single dimension at once, which is really overwhelming and problematic, but she got too close to the fire, so she's kind of trying to suck her mom into it. I don't think she maybe even sees that. That's her mom. That's confusing. Evelyn's trying to get her back out of it to pull her out or she's like, I'm going to go in there with you. Which again, I mean, it's just like that whole narrative is really, I thought, beautiful.

[21:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Gosh. It really speaks to, I think, being the parent of a child with serious mental illness.

[22:02] Portia Pendleton: Right, yeah.

[22:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like how desperately you want to pull them out or be in it with them so they're not alone. Try to save them and the lengths.

[22:10] Portia Pendleton: That you'll go jumping universes to try.

[22:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: To get into that dimension, try to connect with them.

[22:15] Portia Pendleton: So they're holding on to Jobu at the end where she's kind of, I think, going to throw herself into the bagel and Evelyn is saying to her, like, no matter what, I want to be here with you, I always want to be here with you. Which sounds like probably not what Joy feels. Jobu says something like you could be anything anywhere. We only get a few specks of time where it makes sense and then I'll cherish this. Again, I think it's like if you are depressed, you kind of have this perception or your reality is that everything's bad and you might get a few moments here and there that are okay and is that good enough? So the bagel was interesting and again.

[23:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: How did you come up with that and everything? Again, like that word everything, which is like in the title. And they just keep alluding to that and how I think when people are feeling really severely depressed, I think there does have to be almost like, I want to say like a healthy amount of cognitive dissonance to just get through life. Right. Because life is hard.

[23:25] Portia Pendleton: Right.

[23:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think we all felt that and maybe continue to feel that coming out of the pandemic in those days where you're just really trying to survive and you don't know how this is going to end, if this will end, if we're all just going to wear masks forever. It's almost protective to have a healthy amount of cognitive dissonance or be able to hold on to optimism. And I feel like when you're really severely depressed, you lose that and in some ways you're more in touch with the harshness of reality but in a way that really keeps you down. And that kind of reminds me of Joy, like being in the everything bagel and seeing all the universes and almost like having all the answers. But it's overwhelming and depressing.

[24:06] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I agree. I've talked about from patients bringing it up, nihilism. Yeah, right. So it's like kind of the way of thinking that nothing really matters, we're.

[24:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really small and I think point.

[24:21] Portia Pendleton: Right, exactly. And how fitting is that with depressive thoughts? And I think it almost goes hand in hand and it's a little bit of like chicken or the egg. What came first. It's like is your overthinking and too much self awareness leading you down this path where you're just so affected by things and constantly overthinking and thinking of all the worsts and feeling it so deeply versus the cognitive little bit of like and we're also on a rock that's moving X amount of speed. And it doesn't really matter. You need to have a either way.

[24:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Because I think you're totally right. If you are viewing the world as like, none of this matters, nothing matters, what's the point? If you are sort of experiencing that through a depressive lens, then you're really nihilistic and suicidal or not getting out of bed or just really like I'm imagining, like, slow lethargic, really detached. On the flip side, if you had the same thoughts but you were feeling manic, you might be impulsive and thrilled.

[25:32] Portia Pendleton: Nothing matters. I'm charging hundreds of thousands of dollars. Exactly.

[25:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: I'm going to go down this crazy vacation. So it's just interesting sort of which flavor which view you have, right?

[25:42] Portia Pendleton: Yeah.

[25:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: And interestingly now that we are saying that this movie kind of targets both, right? It does very much feel like a commentary on depression and Joy and maybe even Evelyn. But then it's portrayed in such a colorful, exuberant all over the place way that it's an interesting I think that's a really interesting juxtaposition.

[26:09] Portia Pendleton: And just thinking of Joy's age, she's at a transition time. I think a lot of young people can be situationally environmentally transitionally, depressed, 100%, or just starting to think of their whole life ahead of them and how's it going to be. I think a lot of teens throughout COVID and also just like with things being so expensive, it's just a little student loans.

[26:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's no jobs available. It's heavy inflation, and you feel stuck.

[26:41] Portia Pendleton: And I think that leads to a lot of us thinking about these things of what does it really matter? Or I'm never going to be able to do this, never going to be.

[26:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Able for it to move out anyway. Yeah, but then also Evelyn might be feeling that too, at that point of transition in her life, or maybe even doing like a life review and kind of reflecting or seeing her father aging and wondering about the decisions she made. It's like they're both going through it in their own way. And it's just so hard for them to connect until these universes and all of this sort of like, mystical, magical stuff comes up and now they can finally understand each other. So interesting. And then it's just like, I don't have personal experience here, but I wonder is that kind of emotionally what it feels like if your parents have immigrated and so they're in this new place, but for you, this is what you know. Right. Is that kind of what it feels like, that you guys are in these different universes, different worlds. It's hard to connect and you can't quite reach each other. I don't know.

[27:50] Portia Pendleton: It brings up a lot just the movie. And again, I think the cast is so interesting. Jamie lee Curtis. It feels like random, but it's so perfect. Yeah, it couldn't have been cast better. I'm just laughing about I feel like I need to watch it again in like, a year. Yeah.

[28:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: I feel like every couple maybe just like, check in with yourself. Maybe it will give you some insight as to the state of your mental health. Like, how are you feeling as you watch it?

[28:20] Portia Pendleton: It made me think a little bit of manifestation in the little more way that I don't really subscribe to. I think I like talking about manifestation of, like, what you do leads to where you end up. So, like, if I'm manifesting this podcast taking off, I am going to talk about it with people. I believe in it. I'm going to hand our cards out. I'm going to continue going to force TikTok.

[28:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: TikTok. Exactly.

[28:46] Portia Pendleton: And if I don't believe in, I'm not going to do those things, then I'm not going to get anywhere. So that's my kind of version of manifestation.

[28:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: But there are especially, like, celebrities for.

[28:55] Portia Pendleton: A lot of people, it's a little bit more of speaking it into the universe. The universe then kind of makes it.

[29:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Happen, really feeling it with your vision.

[29:05] Portia Pendleton: Board.

[29:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: That kind of manifestation and the.

[29:11] Portia Pendleton: Layer, then that becomes a little mystical. So that just made me think of this and the different dimensions and what do people think really exists out there? And are there different versions of ourselves? I think it also brings up the question of, like, every day we make countless choices that lead us to where we currently are.

[29:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And what if you did this thing different?

[29:36] Portia Pendleton: I'm trying to think of something super crazy right now. I could just lean to my right and break this window, but okay, that would lead to a series of events, but I'm probably not going to do that. That might hurt, et cetera. I have some clients today that I need to see. But it's like we could do anything anytime, and yet we make these decisions, hopefully, that are positively getting us to our goals and what we want out of life and that are associated with our value systems, et cetera. But it's that interesting way of thinking kind of too big sometimes. And one of my supervisors just gave me kind of a helpful way of thinking about people's symptoms. Sometimes we are too far out with our thinking. So it's like thinking of a bicycle wheel and the spokes. So sometimes we have, like, a spoke. Those are way up there. The straight things that kind of go around.

[30:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay, got it.

[30:33] Portia Pendleton: So sometimes we're thinking way too out there and we need to kind of be brought back down with, like, mindfulness, where am I? What are my goals? What am I doing? Other times, we're way too small, so we're thinking way too closely about things. We're overthinking things. We need to kind of take a couple of. Steps back, look at bigger picture, challenge things like, is this really that bad, et cetera. So I think this movie is a lot of the times for people who are like, what? The focus is way up high, and we need to kind of be brought back safely so we can go on our life. I don't know.

[31:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: That is really interesting.

[31:07] Portia Pendleton: It brings up a lot of theories, and I think it'd be interesting if we had someone here who was more into dimensional stuff, because I'm just, like.

[31:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Not I didn't know those people were out there. Maybe they could DM us or send us an email. We could do, like, a follow up.

[31:27] Portia Pendleton: That's fascinating.

[31:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And I'd love to know, is there any science behind it? Is there physics about different universes or.

[31:36] Portia Pendleton: The black holes and all of that stuff?

[31:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: The Bermuda Triangle?

[31:44] Portia Pendleton: Are there windows or points in our life where we some people talk about this. Like, they they're able to kind of, like, see themselves. Or, like, some people talk about deja vu. Like, is this you crossing over with another dimension? It's fascinating to think about different fun theories.

[32:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow, that is fascinating and kind of scary for my neurotic brain.

[32:05] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. So I think it feels if I'm diagnosing you not with a disorder. But I would say we both probably run too short with our spokes where we're overthinking, things are a little bit more anxious related. Well, same. I don't think you have that problem where I need to bring you back in.

[32:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, no, you need to go out.

[32:31] Portia Pendleton: A little bit more.

[32:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: I need to open my mind a little bit, like, be a little more open to the deja vu. But even thinking about that does make me nervous. Like, I really like routine. So the thought of, like, other Katrina's out there doing this and that and this and that is, like, whoa, I need a minute to think about that.

[32:54] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, well, take the year and then.

[32:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Rewatch the film maybe, too. Just, like, with our own personality makeups. Maybe that's why, for me, I was so confused by this movie and kind of a little nervous while watching because I didn't know what to expect. And then, like you said, the hot dog fingers, and then this is happening, and then this. And I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I can't get my bearings. What is the plot? What am I supposed to take from this? Are we all going to be okay at the end? What is going on here?

[33:25] Portia Pendleton: Which is probably why, again, this one, because it's so unique and makes you have all these questions, and I think it's fresh. This is a fresh film. This is a unique idea, and I.

[33:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Love it, but can you imagine who pitched this to whatever film giant made it? Can you imagine? And I wonder, did they just pitch it or did they try to, like, this is what I would have done.

[33:55] Portia Pendleton: Portia yeah.

[33:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: I would have been really sneaky and maybe a little bizarre and tried to create these alternate universes around whoever I'm going to be pitching and kind of freak them out a little bit. And then they would realize that was all part of my game plan to show them what this might feel like. Does that make sense? Yeah, that's what I would have done.

[34:14] Portia Pendleton: Well, maybe you could. There's still time. So it was directed by written and directed by Daniel Quan and Daniel Shinert, known as the Daniels.

[34:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, the Daniels.

[34:26] Portia Pendleton: So they wrote it and produced it.

[34:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Interesting, too, that they both have the same name.

[34:31] Portia Pendleton: Oh, it's an independent studio. A 24. That did it.

[34:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, they also did the whale.

[34:36] Portia Pendleton: I knew I recognized it. Yeah.

[34:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow.

[34:38] Portia Pendleton: They had a fantastic dominee. Yeah.

[34:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was just thinking, too, though, as we were talking about the emotions that get stirred up by this film. Similarly, The Whale, how it stirs up such intense, big emotions. Wow. Good for them. If they want to come on the podcast, feel free. We would even send you, like, your own microphone, but you probably have one.

[35:00] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, they probably do. We'll send you a gift bag of therapy coping skills.

[35:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, you might need it.

[35:08] Portia Pendleton: They might need to come down a little bit, but maybe that in the right context, if you have the ability, the privilege, et cetera. People who are way out there can stay. But a lot of the times, sometimes it's not safe or it's not, unfortunately productive to survive in this culture. So I think that's, again, oh, man.

[35:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: I really want to read about them. I wonder if they have biographies or maybe at least a Wikipedia page that I can look at. Well, so as we wrap up, it's also making me think that next time we will be talking with Dr. Jesse Gold about Yellow Jacket season two. And I think we're going to talk a lot about lottie and cults. And that's another example of someone way out there. And again, in some ways, like when you were in the wilderness, that was beneficial to your survival. But now back not in the wilderness. She has sort of found a way to kind of make it work, until it doesn't. It's just interesting how these themes are connecting across our episodes. Cool.

[36:11] Portia Pendleton: We'll definitely catch us. We have a fun summer ahead of awesome episodes. White Lotus, Euphoria, some movies. Barbie, we're going to oh, yeah. When it comes.

[36:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: We might even do, like, an Instagram live at the movies for Barbie. Tell us what you'd think about that. Yeah, I don't know how to do TikTok live. Can you go live on that? Wow. That's why I watched all the concerts. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, Portia.

[36:36] Portia Pendleton: I'm still grieving.

[36:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe in another universe you were there.

[36:39] Portia Pendleton: I think in most universes I was there, except for this one I'm going to take solace in that.

[36:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah.

[36:46] Portia Pendleton: This is the only universe that I wasn't there. Great.

[36:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, don't think about it too much. Don't overthink. No, you're going to find yourself sucked into that everything bagel.

[36:56] Portia Pendleton: And it was easy to do that weekend that she was close, but then now I have kind of reined myself back in closer to the bicycle wheel and I'm good.

[37:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, good for you. That's some strength right there in action.

[37:11] Portia Pendleton: Well, don't forget to rate, review and subscribe, follow us on Instagram at analyze scripts and on TikTok at analyze scripts podcast, and we'll see you next time.

[37:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: We'll see you next Monday.

[37:21] Portia Pendleton: Bye.

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