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001 Whatever Happened to Us?

Ep. 1

The first time we met; both of us doing the same thing in a chaos magick guise; a chaos magick mentor who suggested Thelemic magick; from magickal power back to something more traditional; influences from Daniel Ingram and Aleister Crowley; different ways of describing what was unfolding for us; The Viking Youth Power Hour; paranormal experiences as the beginning of the awakening process; suspicion of the self and the spark of the divine; a pretence at a career in music; being groomed by Crowley from the age of nine; a silly fantasy novel comes to life; slumming in London; the attraction of practical magick; the chaos magick scene; the current aversion to magical group work; The Colours of Chaos (2008); disagreement in the context of friendship; objectionable opinions; all opinions are objectionable; all beliefs are imposters upon the Great Work (TGW); the false belief of TGW as the end of suffering; the false belief of insight as a reward for morality; what fulfils is nothing in this world; magicians are united by something outside the world; the weirdness of “objectionable views”; disagreement as an existential threat; the necessity of turning inwards; TGW involves concerning oneself only with oneself; the aversion to discussion of personal experience; discussion as an avoidance of truth; woke witches as a contemporary simulacrum of magick; gatekeeping; defending TGW is not TGW; how this played out in the organisation we were members of; the banality of the mainstream; how the occult scene is becoming occult from itself; self-doubt and disillusionment; focus and effort and the role of personality; our separation after The Baptist’s Head trilogy (2009-10); creating a unique expression of TGW; the delusion of “expressing” TGW; true nature is inherently moral; all tactics are the compensation for an absence that never was; evil versus the cultivation of good; regaining identity versus occupying it; humanity versus false identity and drama; the under-realisation of human potential; an invitation to teach; frustrating experiences of teaching meditation; syncretism and tradition; students looking for something behind the traditions; explorations in Anglicanism; training as a therapist and hiding occult trappings; Carl Jung and Wolfgang Pauli; how Jung hid his true insights behind psychology; the spirit of the depths versus the spirit of the times; The Red Book enabling talk of spirituality in psychological contexts; the ludicrous voice of the spirit of the times; fear of the wild; the lack of mystery and soul in psychology; the manualisation and automation of therapy; medicalisation and pathologisation of spiritual experience; increased incidence of spiritual experience, or like attracting like?; the Master of the Temple as cultivator of a garden; therapeutic approaches to disturbing spiritual experiences; normalisation; spiritual bypassing; conflict between therapeutic and spiritual ethical frameworks; how “do no harm” can do harm; healing is discovering how we were never sick; therapy as “to accompany”, “to go along with”; parallels with Dante; the roles of the teacher and the student; Virgil and Beatrice: Dante’s two guides; the mainstream view of the teacher as a conveyor of techniques; the further you go the harder it gets; the teacher as the divine self; Philip K. Dick’s The Divine Invasion.


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    53:43||Ep. 8
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    01:05:03||Ep. 7
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    01:17:39||Ep. 6
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    54:32||Ep. 5
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    48:55||Ep. 4
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  • 3. 003 Do What Thou Wilt

    54:20||Ep. 3
    Magick as a spiritual tradition in its own right; all wisdom traditions as inseparable from magick; all that is needed to understand Aleister Crowley is The Book of the Law (TBOTL) and one’s own comprehension; Crowley in the role of a prophet and what this entails; the origin and form of TBOTL; the redundancy of commentaries on TBOTL; TBOTL without commentary or interpretation; the revelations of Nuit, Hadit, and Ra Hoor Khuit; divinity and the relationship of human beings to it; how the prophet reveals the nature of reality and gives a Law that can be followed, with a description of the consequences if it is not followed; Law and reality; the nature of Divine Law and morality; the meaning of “do what thou wilt”; True Will as the real meaning of “do what thou wilt”; if the Law is not taken as divinely revealed then it is merely a secular philosophy; the absurdity of this misapprehension of True Will; the obscuration by contemporary culture of the nature of True Will; the promises of Nuit and the requirement of devotion to her; how True Will is orientation towards the Divine; renunciation of the world and appearance versus union with the divine; being raised up versus being righteous; different expressions of True Will and how this is reflected in the work of union with the Holy Guardian Angel; the difference of True Will from roles and personality traits; realisation of something greater than oneself; magickal results beyond conception or expectations; recognising True Will as the free expression of one’s nature without conflict; “false will” as that informed by a false understanding of our nature; going beyond identity and becoming a person; True Will versus vocation; angels and the question of free will; why human beings are not free; the experience of union with the Divine and the falling back into the human; how all awakenings and spiritual experiences are appearances; the absolute freedom of the Divine; the contrast with exoteric ideas of the Divine; the sacrifice of the self as always necessarily ideal, whereas acting from the self leads to conflict; True Will as the former; not doing True Will as conflict with others; Ra Hoor Khuit as god of war and vengeance; the consequence of not doing True Will; the current times as manifesting the effects of extracting value from others and not accepting them for who they are; the significance of attraction to Crowley despite misgivings; cultivation of the truth without gatekeepers; repugnance towards the teachings; how the gates are always open; sin as the restriction of one’s divine nature; negative feelings that this can provoke in opposition to love, compassion, and mercy; online opposition to the Order; suspicion of Magia; insinuations of racism; paranoia, fear, shame, and scapegoating as characteristic of contemporary occult discourse; the dangers and potential harmfulness of this mindset; “objectionable views” and privilege; fear of unintentional sin; the allegory of drowning and how to avoid getting into the water with those who are drowning; seeking higher ground through exercising True Will; sinking into or rising from the deluge; the Order and the Magia teachings as means to avoid drowning; how True Will cannot mitigate challenges and outcomes but does provide a means to escape drowning; how True Will provides a positive feedback loop of virtue.Intro music by Alan Chapman. Outro music from loops by users mildperil, Tumbleweed, and VladEisch at looperman.com.
  • 2. 002 What Magick Looks Like

    01:12:09||Ep. 2
    A new branch of the Arcanum Arcanorum; two kinds of connection to the lineage: institutional and inner; how the conflict of institutional and inner played out in Crowley’s life; union with the Holy Guardian Angel (HGA) achieved by a vision and by inner means; the necessary uniqueness of the ritual to achieve connection with his HGA; the role of extraordinary loss in awakening; the expression of this connection to the divine through his magical order; the primacy of the inner work; parallels in our own experience; self-determined instructions to engage in the process; the role of institutions in the Great Work; grades as a substitute for realising one’s true nature; Crowley as the singular giant of western occultism and as a total failure; a critique of “post-Crowley Thelema”; the lack of magick in this perspective; reading Crowley to change ourselves rather than to change Crowley; the unconscious versus the subconscious; deviations from contact with the HGA; contact with the Secret Chiefs; the Tempe workings; the prophetic veracity of these workings; the sole function of the Great White Brotherhood is humanity’s salvation; the nature of prophecy; an expression of love; falling from prophecy by chasing it; prophecy as prediction of terrible events; its purpose is not to avoid this, but to forewarn about consequences; a recommendation to contact the Secret Chiefs; predictions as an opportunity for manifestation and participation; awakenings as already having happened; how the “test” of awakening was never really a test; the consequences of saying “yes” or “no” to experiences; creation in the hands of the created; absolute faith as accepting incapability of doing anything worthwhile; extraordinary intelligence is never absent; criticisms of the lineage; the unity of path and purpose; the tendency to try to make experience conform to expectations; failed attempts to create a western esoteric lineage; the influence of “the spirit of the times”; massive failure; the new order and its origins in a vision of the seventeenth aethyr; the current mood of the occult scene; the contents of the vision of the aethyr; teachers who are Masters of the Temple but also black brothers; the worst kind of teachers; how our encounter with Andrew Cohen shaped our understanding; the error of fixation upon awakening; self-realised people are idiots; the impossible nature; a controversy over Voudon; meeting with Vinay Gupta; defining the term “black brother”; two examples of black brothers; the left-hand path; crossing the abyss and the oath of the abyss; Vinay, his circle, and how he describes himself; receiving initiation from Vinay; the members of the lineage back to Crowley; Dadaji (Lawrence Miles) and AMOOKOS; the story of the meeting between Crowley and Miles; a thoroughly messed-up lineage; following the prophecy against personal preferences; a prophetic dream concerning Thelema; Magia tied to the Arcanum Arcanorum as a demonstration of its validity; the expression of the dubious nature of the lineage demonstrates the validity of the prophecy; using darkness to create light; the action of the divine in transforming the irredeemable; the denial of magick in occulture; the worst becomes the best.Links to the video of “The Scrying of Aethyr 17”: https://youtu.be/ASo740AiZeE (Part One); https://youtu.be/npC2FSugyPI (Part Two).Intro music by Alan Chapman. Outro music from loops by users mildperil, Tumbleweed, and VladEisch at looperman.com.