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Other within the Other - with Carol Isaacs

Season 1, Ep. 6

“Other within the Other” - with Carol Isaacs


The Surreal McCoy - AKA Carol Isaacs

https://www.thesurrealmccoy.com/

The Wolf of Baghdad - Book/Graphic Novel

https://myriadeditions.com/books/the-wolf-of-baghdad/

Educator Guide for Wolf of Baghdad

https://www.mattreingold.ca/_files/ugd/b5e5dd_008584d7a470469a840e17c8c961137d.pdf

Growing up Mizrahi - Short Documentary

https://ukjewishfilm.org/film/growing-up-mizrahi/

Carol on Socials - Twitter Insta YouTube

History of the Jews of Iraq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq

Recipe:

https://recipes.fandom.com/wiki/Kubba_Bamia

Kaukokaipuu - Finnish word for nostalgia for a place you’ve never been to.

Ahmed Mukhtar - Oud player Keith Clouston - Oud player Daniel Jonas


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Host / Producer: Eylan Ezekiel

Post-production: Communicating for Impact

Artwork: Emily Theodore

Music: Aleksafor utransndr Karabanov

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    01:00:02||Season 3, Ep. 3
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    42:46||Season 3, Ep. 2
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    58:01||Season 3, Ep. 1
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    13:24||Season 2, Ep. 10
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    49:46||Season 2, Ep. 9
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    36:02||Season 2, Ep. 8
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    46:22||Season 2, Ep. 7
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  • 6. Endangered, Not Erased - Samantha Ellis

    49:08||Season 2, Ep. 6
    Samantha Ellis shares the story of growing up in London as the daughter of Iraqi Jewish refugees and how language, food, and memory helped shape a strong sense of identity in a world that often didn’t understand it. From rediscovering her heritage through writing, to reflecting on what gets passed down (and what doesn’t), Samantha invites us into an honest and powerful conversation about exile, legacy, and the things that hold us together.Our GuestSamantha Ellis is a writer and playwright based in London. Born to Iraqi Jewish parents, Samantha explores themes of identity, loss, and cultural preservation in her work — most recently through her powerful memoir, Chopping Onions on My Heart.Key TopicsLanguage as Identity: How Judeo-Iraqi Arabic shaped Samantha’s worldview and what it means when a language is no longer passed onExile & Silence: Why some family stories are left untold and what it means to speak anywayGenerational Trauma & Healing: How memory, ritual, and storytelling can carry both pain and repairFood & Inheritance: From black eggs to aubergine sandwiches, how food brings connection across generations — and why recipes may outlast languagesYour GuideShort definitions and terms referenced in this episode:Judeo-Iraqi Arabic: A historically spoken dialect of Arabic used by Jews in Iraq; now highly endangeredBlack eggs (brown eggs): Eggs slow-cooked overnight with onion skins, often served for ShabbatRosh Hashanah Seder: A New Year ritual practised in some Mizrahi communities, involving symbolic foods and blessingsSofér: A Jewish scribe who writes and repairs Torah scrollsWant to learn more?Explore past episodes that also reflect on language, memory, and identity:S1E6 - Other within the Other with Carol Isaacs S1E7 – Identity is Overrated with Ophira GamlielReferences & ResourcesSamantha Ellis, Chopping Onions on My Heart: On Losing and Preserving Culture (2025), Chatto & WindusOxford School of Rare Jewish Languages – Offers online courses in Judeo-Arabic and other endangered Jewish languagesSarah Sassoon, Shoham's Bangle (2022). Kar-Ben Publishing – A children’s picture book about an Iraqi Jewish family’s migrationKeith Kahn-Harris, Everyday Jews: Why The Jewish People Are Not Who You Think They Are (2025). Icon Books