Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole


What Can We Believe? With David Attenborough, Carole Cadwalladr, Alan Rusbridger, Vanessa Nakate, and Rutger Bregman

Season 1, Ep. 5

Building on the conversation from the previous episode, Lily investigates how our public awareness is shaped by the media we consume. Lily speaks with Carole Cadwalladr - the groundbreaking investigative journalist who broke The Facebook–Cambridge Analytica scandal; as well as Alan Rusbridger, the former Guardian editor-in-chief and member of the Facebook Oversight Board. Lily also hears from Ugandan youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate on how she uses social media to draw attention to marginalised voices; and David Attenborough on the importance of television for growing environmental awareness. The episode concludes with a thought provoking conversation with historian and author Rutger Bregman about our negativity bias, and why perhaps, we should simply read less news.

With thanks to the Radio Times for giving permission to use the interview with David Attenborough, and to Hay Festival for their permission to use the interview with Rutger Bregman.

You can find out more about the themes touched on in episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.

Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr

Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH

Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM


Please find a reading list from our featured guests:

David Attenborough's new book, A Life on Our Planet:

Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30HCjCO

Audible: https://bit.ly/2FyV3g5

Carole Cadwalladr’s Ted Talk:


Rutger Bregman’s latest book: Humankind: a hopeful history


Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

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