Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole


Is this the end of The Empire? With Wade Davis, Vanessa Nakate, Sam Lee, Putanny Luiza and Chief Nixiwake

Season 1, Ep. 7

In this episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily speaks to a selection of thinkers and leaders to talk about the cultural, political and social forces that are at play in shaping how we respond to the ecological crisis: whether identity politics risks damaging community; and whether we can protect and preserve cultural identity without xenophobia. Professor of Anthropology at the University of British Columbia Wade Davis, speaks to Lily about his Rolling Stone Article highlighting Covid-19 as the pivotal shift in the unravelling of the American Empire, but also what we can learn from the indigenous communities he’s studied during his career. 

This episode also features an interview with two members of the the Yawanawa Amazonian tribe on what they believe our different cultures can learn from one another. Lily speaks to youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate about how clan identities in Ugandan culture have been used to preserve ecosystems; whilst folk song collector Sam Lee talks about how he seeks out the ancient oral traditions in the British Isles. The episode concludes with songs from Sam Lee and the Yawanawa.

You can find out more about the themes touched on in this episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.

Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH

Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr

Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM


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Please find a reading list from our featured guests:


Wade Davis's Rolling Stone Article: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

Wade Davis's book The Wayfinders: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9780887847660?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAkan9BRAqEiwAP9X6UW-H1X56GFjHkOo_DzfROpdwLpgt5e8ZWABtUa0b8WWSihThX_veaBoCHwUQAvD_BwE

Wade Davis' book Magdelena: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781847926104?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAtK79BRAIEiwA4OskBv9MW_TD1T0Y-FAKLB1atGqPtMaiNUWCgod-mL-2c7hKLyX2hF5jMRoCwnQQAvD_BwE



Vanessa Nakate's climate speech at The 10th annual Desmond Tutu peace lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOi04L0OHo&feature=emb_logo


Sam Lee's Nightingale book: https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/1085629/sam-lee.html

Sam Lee's album Old Wow: https://samleesong.co.uk/recordings/old-wow/ 



Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

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Season 1, Ep. 8
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Is more better? With George Monbiot, Andrew McAfee, Aja Barber, John Sauven, Lisa Jackson and Merlin Sheldrake

Season 1, Ep. 6
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