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WDF 30: The Long War V

Check the screen and a map of the Hungarian plain should be there - if not do let me know! In this episode we continue our narrative of the period immediately following the fall of Hungary and the escalation of the Ottoman-Habsburg rivalry. We investigate why that rivalry was so potent and how effected the relationships and development of the two states. The 17th century had taught the Habsburgs much, but the Ottomans seemed surprisingly content to rest on their laurels, even while they confronted an allied army at the Battle of St Gotthard. At first, all seemed well, but this victory would in time solidify the hostility between both camps, and lead us handily to the situation we find ourselves in by 1683, so make sure you listen in! Thankssss! Remember history friends, I rely on your support both moral and monetary and I appreciate it all so much - we are bring history and WDF to more people than ever before, and if you want to be a part of this journey then make sure you check us out on Patreon: www.patreon.com/WhenDiplomacyFails Our website: www.wdfpodcast.com Our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/WhenDiplomacyFailsPodcast/ Our Twitter: https://twitter.com/wdfpodcast Yaaay let's make history thrive :D Zack

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