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On today’s show, host April Glaser looks at the continuing battle between Tesla CEO Elon Musk and the Securities and Exchange Commision. Earlier this week, the SEC asked a judge to hold Musk in contempt for tweets he’s made about Tesla’s performance. The SEC says Musk violated a settlement he reached with the commission last year, which required him to have his tweets reviewed before sending them.
Then, Will Oremus speaks with journalist Casey Newton about an investigation he published this week on the tech site The Verge. The article is headlined, “The Trauma Floor: The secret lives of Facebook moderators in America.” Newton talked to current and former employees of a moderation facility in Arizona that contracts with Facebook, about the working conditions there. And, in particular, the psychological toll of scrutinizing hundreds of Facebook posts each day that feature extreme violence, hate speech, and conspiracy theories.
5:57 - Interview with Casey Newton
23:23 - Don’t Close My Tabs
Stories discussed on the show:
CNN: SEC Asks Judge to Hold Musk in Contempt
The Verge: The Trauma Floor: The secret lives of Facebook moderators in America
Wired: The Laborers Who Keep Dick Pics and Beheadings Out of Your Facebook Feed
Don’t Close My Tabs:
April: Mercury News: Facebook, Google Bikes Lead to Tensions with Neighbors
Will: Vox: How a coat on Amazon took over a neighborhood — and then the internet
Podcast production by Max Jacobs
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