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What The Church?

What The Church?!

Season 1, Ep. 1
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Disclaimer

This podcast represents the opinions of myself, Jacqui Cousins, and each interviewed guest. Our opinions do not represent organisations we are affiliated with. The content here should not be taken as health advice and is for informational purposes only. Please consult your local health professional for advice specific to your needs.


Acknowledgement of Country

I'd like to begin by acknowledging the Bunurong people, who are the traditional owners of the land of which I sit and record this podcast. I pay my respects to elders past, present, and emerging who are helping their community recover from religious trauma due to the forced removal of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander children, often facilitated by religious leaders of the day. I also want to thank my Aboriginal clients for sharing your stories with me. Each of you has reminded me how freedom is fundamental for people to thrive in this life. Your stories have helped shape my practice.Introducing the What The Church? podcast, I’m the host Jacqui Cousins. I’m a Public Health Practitioner specialising in institutional harm.


In this episode

This podcast is focused on improving health and spiritual care for people who have experienced religious harm. I interview people with a lived experience, and health and spiritual care providers who are committed to religious trauma recovery. What The Church? believes breaking free from coercive religious practices is essential to improving the health and wellbeing of church communities.


Need support?

If you are looking for a religious trauma therapist, please contact me here and I will connect you to a therapist in your local area.

For urgent care support in Australia, you can contact:


Resources discussed in this episode:


A BIG thank you!

Thank you to Leng Te for permission to use music from your song Safety House. It is from her album Garden of Delights which is available here.

Thank you to Jarred from Four4ty Recording Studio for editing the podcast.

Thanks to Jo Adams Creative for What The Church's artwork.

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    51:50||Season 2, Ep. 2
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    01:11:04||Season 1, Ep. 15
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    55:44||Season 1, Ep. 14
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  • 13. Decluttering Religious Beliefs - Pt 2

    36:02||Season 1, Ep. 13
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  • 12. Decluttering Religious Beliefs - Pt 1

    37:57||Season 1, Ep. 12
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