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What Stuart Russell Couldn't Say At The Musk vs. OpenAI Trial
In the pilot episode of We’re All Gonna Die, Mike Oreskes and Edie Lush speak with AI pioneer Stuart Russell about the race toward artificial general intelligence, why he compares it to an arms race, and why he believes today’s AI companies are taking risks on behalf of everyone else. The conversation moves from Musk v. OpenAI and existential risk to regulation, “safe by design” AI, public pressure, and the urgent question of whether humanity can slow down long enough to stay in control.
Chapters
00:00 Opening: Musk v. OpenAI and the AI safety warning
02:15 Meet Stuart Russell
02:58 The AGI arms race
04:35 The “six guys in an elevator” problem
09:50 How close are we to the edge?
13:21 Companies, governments, and the control problem
15:17 What would an AI Chernobyl look like?
20:23 Amazon, Alexa, and mocking AI risk
23:30 Why regulation does not have to kill innovation
28:02 Why “just unplug it” is not enough
31:18 What governments can do now
33:34 Where Stuart Russell sees hope
35:47 Safe-by-design AI
38:38 What listeners can do
41:21 Why this podcast exists
44:34 Slow down, think it through
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