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We Need to Talk About Chocolate

Blood Mixed with Chocolate? Andrew and Ed Meet the World's First Chocolatiers

Season 1, Ep. 1

This is the REAL story of chocolate.

The story the big corporations don’t want you to know.

Welcome to We Need to Talk About Chocolate, the podcast where we unwrap the rich, sticky, and sometimes bittersweet history of the world’s most beloved treat.

From sacred rituals performed by the Mayans and Aztecs to the industrial empires that flood supermarket shelves today, chocolate has never been just a confection. It’s been a symbol of power, a sacred offering, a global obsession, and a billion-dollar industry with a dark side.

Hosted by writer and lifelong chocoholic Ed Easton, and world-renowned chocolatier Andrew Nason of Melt Chocolates, this series digs deep beneath the foil to uncover the untold truths behind the cacao bean.

You’ll meet ancient chocolatiers, explore the ruins of a “chocolate Pompeii,” and follow the journey of chocolate through colonisation, exploitation, innovation, and indulgence.

Because trust us, we really do need to talk about chocolate.


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    01:04:21||Season 1, Ep. 21
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  • 20. Ketosis or Chaos? Andrew & Ed Journey Back to the Paleo Diet

    42:44||Season 1, Ep. 20
    Join writer and lifelong chocoholic Ed Easton, and amateur chocolate historian Andrew Nason of Melt, as they delve into the world of the Keto Diet in this episode of 'We Need to Talk About Chocolate.' Ed and Andrew dress as prehistoric cavemen to explore the impact of ketosis—a state triggered by a zero-carb, zero-sugar diet—on their love for chocolate. Through funny analogies and scientific discussions, they break down how the body processes energy, the effects of the Keto Diet, and its broader implications on mental and physical health.
  • 19. Does sugar give you energy? Andrew and Ed test the "Sugar Crash"

    37:26||Season 1, Ep. 19
    Welcome to 'We Need to Talk About Chocolate,' hosted by writer and lifelong chocoholic Ed Easton and world-renowned chocolatier Andrew Nason of Melt. In this episode, Ed undergoes a challenging experiment to understand the real impact of a sugar crash. Guided by Andrew, Ed consumes the maximum daily sugar limit in an hour to explore how sugar affects the body and debunk the myth that sugar equals energy. They talk Red Bull, Monster Energy and Coca-cola, and how these drinks are encouraged to make you "high-performing" - when in fact they do the complete opposite. Through personal experience and scientific analysis, they discuss the role of insulin, mitochondria, and the food industry's deceptive marketing. Join them for a dynamic and informative dive into the effects of sugar and the importance of understanding its impact on our health.
  • 18. Are we all obsessed with yeast poo? Andrew & Ed talk Fermentation

    43:49||Season 1, Ep. 18
    Welcome to the 'We Need To Talk About Chocolate' Podcast! Join us, host Ed Easton and chocolatier Andrew Nason in part two of our fermentation special. Andrew explains why his homemade cacao experiment failed, discussing the complexities of chocolate fermentation and the impact of temperature on bacterial growth. We also explore the intricate world of taste, engaging in fascinating experiments with miracle berries that alter flavour perception. The episode delves into the evolutionary roots of taste, the role of industrialization in our diet, and the universal human fascination with fermented foods. Despite our cacao setback, Ed and Andrew's journey to uncover the secrets behind the perfect chocolate continues.
  • 17. Is chocolate actually alien? Andrew & Ed explore chocolate's bacterial past

    25:08||Season 1, Ep. 17
    In this episode, hosts Ed Easton and Andrew Nason delve into the fascinating world of chocolate fermentation from their chocolate yurt in West London. They discuss how the intricate process of fermentation, involving various bacteria and fungi, plays a crucial role in crafting high-quality chocolate. While debunking myths like the 'Mars bar being made on Mars,' they explore the concept of panspermia and the idea that yeast may be an alien species. They also initiate a live fermentation experiment with cacao pods, highlighting the complexity and unpredictability of the process, influenced by environmental factors and microorganisms. This journey into the microscopic world of chocolate promises to reveal the hidden layers of flavor development and the intricate dance that transforms cacao into chocolate.
  • 16. European food is actually rubbish | Andrew & Ed compare South American & European foods through history

    38:56||Season 1, Ep. 16
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  • 15. Are We All Eating Like Cows? Andrew & Ed Debate Diets

    38:28||Season 1, Ep. 15
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  • 14. Is there too much sugar in chocolate? Andrew and Ed blind taste cheap vs expensive chocolate

    23:44||Season 1, Ep. 14
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  • 13. The Dark History of Chocolate: Andrew & Ed talk about the history of slavery in chocolate production

    47:12||Season 1, Ep. 13
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