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Ep. 29: Haven Healthcare Part 4 — What Actually Failed?

Ep. 29

On January 4, 2021, Haven Healthcare announced it was shutting down. After less than three years, the ambitious venture created by Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway, and JPMorgan Chase was coming to an end. 


The easy conclusion is that Haven failed. But is that the whole story? 


In the final episode of this four-part series, Dr. Bruce Spurlock looks beyond the binary question of success versus failure to ask something more useful: What exactly failed—and what survived? 


Bruce brings together the lessons from the entire Haven Healthcare story, from the challenge of turning an ambitious vision into a clearly defined problem to the difficulty of creating accountability without clear decision rights. He explores the warning signals leaders can miss, the value of pre-mortems and tripwires, and why failure only becomes learning when it changes what we do next. 


Most importantly, Bruce challenges the assumption that an innovation has to survive intact in order for something valuable to spread. Organizations can disappear while their ideas, knowledge, people, tools, and lessons continue to influence what comes next. 


In this episode: 

  • Why leaders must define the problem before trying to transform the system  
  • The danger of becoming a "solution-first" organization  
  • Why authority and accountability must align  
  • How decision rights affect implementation  
  • Using pre-mortems and tripwires to recognize problems earlier  
  • The difference between failure and learning  
  • Why innovation doesn't always spread through direct replication  
  • Four questions leaders should ask about any major healthcare initiative  


Haven set out to transform healthcare. Instead, healthcare transformed Haven. The lessons from that experience may be more valuable than a simple verdict of success or failure. 

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    Productivity may decline. Resistance can grow. Unexpected problems emerge. Sometimes performance even gets worse before it gets better. But when does normal implementation friction become evidence that something is actually wrong? In this reflection on Part 3 of the Haven Healthcare series, Dr. Bruce Spurlock explores one of the hardest challenges in leading change: separating noise from signal. Looking back at Haven’s leadership turnover, competing initiatives, and other warning signs, Bruce asks what healthcare leaders can learn about recognizing trouble before hindsight makes it obvious. The key may be deciding what failure looks like before implementation begins—using pre-mortems, milestones, measures, and predefined tripwires to challenge assumptions before sunk costs make changing direction even harder. Viral Healthcare — Real change lasts. Theater doesn’t. 
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    Then the warning lights started appearing. A senior executive departed. Employee turnover followed. A promising pilot struggled with engagement. Amazon began developing healthcare initiatives of its own. Eventually, CEO Atul Gawande stepped away. But none of those events, on its own, necessarily meant Haven was failing. In Part 3 of the Haven Healthcare series, Dr. Bruce Spurlock examines one of the hardest challenges leaders face during implementation: how do you distinguish normal turbulence from a meaningful warning signal? Rather than judging Haven with hindsight, Bruce follows the evidence as it accumulated and explores how tools like pre-mortems, leading indicators, milestones and predefined “trip wires” can help leaders recognize when persistence is warranted—and when it may be time to adapt, narrow or stop. Because innovation rarely comes with one unmistakable moment when someone tells you the strategy isn't working. More often, leaders receive pieces of evidence and have to decide when those pieces have become a pattern. Topics / Keywords Haven Healthcare, healthcare innovation, healthcare leadership, implementation science, change management, pre-mortem, leading indicators, healthcare strategy, Amazon healthcare, Berkshire Hathaway, JPMorgan Chase, Atul Gawande, sunk cost fallacy, organizational change, healthcare transformation  
  • 27. Ep. 27 Reflection: Where Do You Start When Everything Needs Fixing?

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    Where would you start?In this reflection on Part 2 of the Haven Healthcare series, Dr. Bruce Spurlock looks at the choices Haven made once it moved from ambition to implementation. In Ohio, the organization experimented with benefit design and easier navigation. In Seattle, it explored technology-enabled access to primary care. Different populations, different approaches, and—most importantly—something that could finally be measured.Bruce explores a fundamental challenge of healthcare innovation: eventually, leaders have to stop designing the perfect strategy and put a foot down somewhere. That first decision creates consequences, produces information, and gives an organization the opportunity to learn.The question isn’t whether your first decision will be perfect. It’s whether you have built a process that allows you to recognize what is working and adopt, adapt, or abandon as you learn.Show NotesIn this reflection:Why unlimited resources don't eliminate implementation riskHaven's experiments in Ohio and SeattleSimplifying benefit design and healthcare navigationUsing technology to improve access to primary careWhy changing physicians can become a major adoption barrierThe value of segmenting populations before scalingWhy a pre-mortem can reveal problems before implementation beginsTurning implementation into something measurableKnowing when to adopt, adapt, or abandonMaking decisions without the benefit of hindsightWhy every implementation decision creates consequencesThe question every healthcare leader eventually faces: Where do we start?
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    Imagine being given more resources than you could reasonably expect, a long-term time horizon, access to more than a million employees, and a mandate to rethink healthcare.Would you take the job?In this reflection on Part 1 of the Haven Healthcare series, Bruce Spurlock goes back to 2018 and deliberately removes what we know today. Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway, and JPMorgan Chase had come together around an enormous ambition: find a better way to deliver and pay for healthcare.Atul Gawande was brought in to lead the effort, giving Haven an accomplished physician, writer, and healthcare thinker who had spent years examining how healthcare systems work and why they fail.From where the leaders stood at the time, the opportunity was extraordinary.But once you accept the opportunity, a much harder question appears: Where do you start?Do you redesign the entire system? Focus on one population? Choose one healthcare problem? Start small and learn? Or use the unusual scale and resources you've been given to attempt something much bigger?Bruce reflects on the decisions facing Haven's leaders without using the benefit of hindsight and sets up Part 2 of the series, where the story moves from ambition to implementation.
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    On January 4, 2021, one of the most closely watched experiments in American healthcare came to an end. Haven Healthcare, created by Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway, and JPMorgan Chase, was shutting down less than three years after its launch.Its CEO had already stepped down. Its COO had left before him. The remaining employees would be absorbed back into the companies that created it.So what happened?In Part 1 of this four-part Viral Healthcare series, Bruce Spurlock deliberately avoids starting with that question. Once we know how a story ends, hindsight makes it easy to identify all the reasons failure seems inevitable. Instead, Bruce takes us back to January 2018 and asks what Haven looked like to the people making decisions at the time.Three enormously successful companies. More than a million employees. Extraordinary access to capital, technology, data, purchasing power, and talent. A healthcare system almost everyone agreed needed improvement. Then, six months later, the venture selected physician, researcher, author, and healthcare thinker Dr. Atul Gawande as its leader.On paper, it was difficult not to believe Haven had a real chance.But underneath the excitement was a much harder question: What exactly were they trying to fix?Bruce explores the difference between a compelling purpose and an implementable aim, the complexity of trying to disrupt an interconnected healthcare system, the challenge of governing an independent organization with three powerful owners, and the decisions Haven's leaders faced before anyone knew how the story would end.And he leaves us with the decision Haven itself had to make: Do you use extraordinary resources to rethink healthcare broadly, or narrow the problem to one population, one market, and one measurable outcome, prove it works, and then spread?In Part 2: Who loses if Haven Healthcare wins?
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