Unspoken Grief

Unspoken Grief hosts Michael Vinton and Tina Chevalier welcome Dr. Denise Dailey, a licensed clinical psychologist and founder of Our Daily Bread, LLC, to discuss insights from their APA Division 19 Society for Military Psychology symposium presentation, “Unseen Battlefields,” exploring the intersection of military-related violence and murder-suicide and the overlooked impact on families and communities. Dr. Dailey shares how her family’s multigenerational military service shaped her understanding that trauma doesn’t stay overseas, describes post-deployment stress, injury, and family-system effects, and explains overlaps among isolation, identity collapse, burdensomeness, and moral injury. The conversation examines limitations in data and public narratives about perpetrators, warning signs families can take seriously, the importance of curiosity and presence, and practical steps like asking direct questions and using 988 for guidance, while also addressing provider burnout, hope through connection, and survivor community support988 Lifeline number: https://988lifeline.org/ At the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, we understand that life's challenges can sometimes be complex. Whether you're facing mental health struggles, emotional distress, alcohol or drug use concerns, or just need someone to talk to, our caring counselors are here for you. You are not alone. Didi Hirsch Mental Services: didihirsch.org Crisis Text LineText HOME to 741741 Free, 24/7 Mental Health Support    Dr. Denise Dailey                         Email: ourdaileybread@outlook.comWebsite: www.ourdaileybread.com and  Dailey, Denise | FacultyProfile | Adler UniversityLinkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/drdaileyptsdCauses: (Clinicaland Research Interest: PTSD Assessment and Treatment, Health Psychology,Military Clinical Psychology, Chronic Pain, Insomnia, Risk Assessment andSuicide Prevention ) Michael VintonEmail:                info@impactedsurvivors.com Website:    www.michaelvinton.com                  http://www.impactedsurvivors.orgPodcast:    Unspoken Grief IG:            @therealmichaelvintonFB:            Michael VintonLinkedin:   m/ichael-vinton-6702a373IDMB:                Michael Vinton (III)Headshot: Headshot 1                 Headshot 2 Tina ChevalierEmail:                Tina@impactedsurvivors.com Website:    www.impactedsurvivors.org Podcast:   Unspoken GriefIG:            @impactedsurvivorsofmsFB:            FacebookHeadshot; Headshot

In this episode of Unspoken Grief, hosts Michael Vinton and Tina Chevalier welcome survivor and advocate ChaRon Sattler-LeBlanc, who lost her cousin Julie (23) and Julie’s daughter Jacqui (5) in July 1990. ChaRon describes learning the news while in college, the isolation and shame of grieving before online communities or public language for murder-suicide loss, and the complex family dynamics shaped by Korean heritage, arranged marriage, domestic violence, and separation. She shares how trauma resurfaced during a later campus incident involving a firearm and how limited counseling support was in the 1990s. ChaRon discusses long-term impacts, secondary losses, and how advocacy (including Moms Demand Action), civic work, and community connection help her heal while emphasizing boundaries, self-care, and loving people in their wholeness, including families of perpetrators988 Lifeline number: https://988lifeline.org/ At the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, we understand that life's challenges can sometimes be complex. Whether you're facing mental health struggles, emotional distress, alcohol or drug use concerns, or just need someone to talk to, our caring counselors are here for you. You are not alone. Didi Hirsch Mental Services: didihirsch.org Crisis Text LineText HOME to 741741 Free, 24/7 Mental Health Support  ChaRon Sattler-LeblancEmail:       charon.rochester.ny@gmail.comWebsite: Cha Ron VotesCauses: A Longing for Yesteryear MomsDemandAction Eoisode Resource Section                    Who Needs God                    When Bad Things Happen to Good People                     Please Call Me by My True Names  Michael VintonEmail:               info@impactedsurvivors.com Website:   www.michaelvinton.com                  http://www.impactedsurvivors.orgPodcast:   Unspoken Grief IG:           @therealmichaelvintonFB:           Michael VintonLinkedin:  m/ichael-vinton-6702a373IDMB:               Michael Vinton (III)Headshot: Headshot 1                 Headshot 2 Tina ChevalierEmail:               Tina@impactedsurvivors.com Website:   www.impactedsurvivors.org Podcast:   Unspoken GriefIG:           @impactedsurvivorsofmsFB:           FacebookHeadshot; Headshot

In this episode of Unspoken Grief, hosts Michael Vinton and Tina Chevalier talk about their survivor-led nonprofit community, ISMS (Impacted Survivors of Murder Suicide), which offers peer support spaces, awareness, and advocacy, especially for families of the person who caused harm. Michael and Tina share their experiences losing their loved ones five years ago, describing shock, sleeplessness, confusion, stigma, and the difficulty of grieving someone who also caused harm, while emphasizing that loved ones are “more than their final act.” They discuss ripple effects on friends, neighbors, witnesses, and first responders, the long journey after headlines fade, practical aftermath issues, and concerns about sensationalized media language and oversimplified explanations. They highlight hope found through community, expand support calls, and invite listeners to access resources at impactedsurvivors.org988 Lifeline number: https://988lifeline.org/ At the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, we understand that life's challenges can sometimes be complex. Whether you're facing mental health struggles, emotional distress, alcohol or drug use concerns, or just need someone to talk to, our caring counselors are here for you. You are not alone. Didi Hirsch Mental Services: didihirsch.org Crisis Text LineText HOME to 741741 Free, 24/7 Mental Health Support  Michael VintonEmail:                info@impactedsurvivors.com Website:    www.michaelvinton.com                  http://www.impactedsurvivors.orgPodcast:    Unspoken Grief IG:            @therealmichaelvintonFB:            Michael VintonLinkedin:   m/ichael-vinton-6702a373IDMB:                Michael Vinton (III)Headshot: Headshot 1                 Headshot 2 Tina ChevalierEmail:                Tina@impactedsurvivors.com Website:    www.impactedsurvivors.org Podcast:   Unspoken GriefIG:            @impactedsurvivorsofmsFB:            FacebookHeadshot; Headshot

In this episode of Unspoken Grief, hosts Michael Vinton and Tina Chevalier welcome psychologist and researcher Dr. Thomas Joiner, whose work is widely cited in survivor communities and who authored The Perversion of Virtue, a book the hosts frequently reference in presentations about murder-suicide. Joiner explains how his research led him to conclude most murder-suicides are planned and rooted in a distorted, “virtuous” rationale tied to four perverted virtues—justice, mercy, duty, and glory—illustrating examples including Columbine and the influence of Timothy McVeigh. The group discusses stigma faced by survivors, language challenges around “perpetrator,” why families may not see their loved one as suicidal, the value of psychological autopsies, and how suicide prevention strategies like means safety and effective CBT may also prevent murder-suicide.988 Lifeline number: https://988lifeline.org/ At the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, we understand that life's challenges can sometimes be complex. Whether you're facing mental health struggles, emotional distress, alcohol or drug use concerns, or just need someone to talk to, our caring counselors are here for you. You are not alone. Didi Hirsch Mental Services: didihirsch.org Crisis Text LineText HOME to 741741 Free, 24/7 Mental Health Support  Dr Thomas Joiner:Email:                joiner@psy.fsu.eduBook: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0199334552?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_WTDG24DTBD8N6ZD1RAEB&bestFormat=trueWebsite: Thomas Joiner | Department of PsychologyGeorgia Commission on Family Violence Michael VintonEmail:                info@impactedsurvivors.com Website:    www.michaelvinton.com                  http://www.impactedsurvivors.orgPodcast:    Unspoken Grief IG:            @therealmichaelvintonFB:            Michael VintonLinkedin:   m/ichael-vinton-6702a373IDMB:                Michael Vinton (III)Headshot: Headshot 1                 Headshot 2 Tina ChevalierEmail:                Tina@impactedsurvivors.com Website:    www.impactedsurvivors.org Podcast:   Unspoken GriefIG:            @impactedsurvivorsofmsFB:            FacebookHeadshot; Headshot

In this heartfelt episode of the Unspoken Grief podcast, hosts Tina Chevalier, Kristina Faulkner, and Michael Venton dive deep into their personal stories as survivors of murder-suicides and wonder what life might be like if they had never had to face such tragedies. They go on to explore some of the positive and strange outcomes that have occurred since their loses as well. They also share updates from recent conferences, exciting developments in their nonprofit work, and the new grief course designed for children. Join them for a poignant discussion on turning tragedy into purposeful living, and discover how love, community, and being present in the moment have been crucial in their healing journeys. This episode is an invaluable resource for anyone affected by trauma and looking for support and understanding.988 Lifeline number: https://988lifeline.org/ At the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, we understand that life's challenges can sometimes be complex. Whether you're facing mental health struggles, emotional distress, alcohol or drug use concerns, or just need someone to talk to, our caring counselors are here for you. You are not alone.  Didi Hirsch Mental Services: didihirsch.org  Crisis Text Line Text HOME to 741741 Free, 24/7 Mental Health Support   Michael VintonEmail: info@impactedsurvivors.com Website: www.michaelvinton.com                 http://www.impactedsurvivors.org IG: @therealmichaelvintonFB: Michael VintonLinkedin: m/ichael-vinton-6702a373IDMB: Michael Vinton (III)  Tina ChevalierEmail: Tina@impactedsurvivors.com Website: www.impactedsurvivors.org IG: @impactedsurvivorsofmsKristina FaulknerEmail: kbellatino@gmail.comWebsite: www.getinspiredtherapy.com                www.impactedsurvivors.org  CHAPTERS:00:00 Introduction and Welcome02:03 Honoring Lost Loved Ones04:32 Conference Highlights and Updates10:50 Children's Grief Course Announcement13:02 Reflecting on Personal Loss and Growth27:40 Struggles of Stepping into New Roles30:05 The Importance of Community for Survivors39:48 Fears of Future Losses47:13 Coping Mechanisms and Personal Growth55:43 Closing Thoughts and Resources

Join hosts Tina Chevalier, Kristina Faulkner, and Michael Vinton on Unspoken Grief as they dive deep into the complexities of murder-suicide loss with special guest Sara Cobb, a licensed professional counselor and founder of My Grief Connection. Sarah bravely shares her personal journey of losing her brother in a murder-suicide and how this tragedy has fueled her passion for grief and mental health advocacy. Together, they explore the importance of finding support, coping with trauma, and providing resources for survivors. This emotional and insightful episode aims to break the silence surrounding grief and help others navigate their own paths to healing.  988 Lifeline number: https://988lifeline.org/ At the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, we understand that life's challenges can sometimes be complex. Whether you're facing mental health struggles, emotional distress, alcohol or drug use concerns, or just need someone to talk to, our caring counselors are here for you. You are not alone.  Didi Hirsch Mental Services: didihirsch.org  Crisis Text Line Text HOME to 741741 Free, 24/7 Mental Health Support   Sara Cobb Email_mygriefconnection@outlook.comWebsite www.mygriefconnection.orgLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarajcobb/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mygriefconnectionInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/my_grief_connection/Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/mygriefconnection/boards/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@mygriefconnection  Michael VintonEmail: info@impactedsurvivors.com Website: www.michaelvinton.com                 http://www.impactedsurvivors.org IG: @therealmichaelvintonFB: Michael VintonLinkedin: m/ichael-vinton-6702a373IDMB: Michael Vinton (III)  Tina ChevalierEmail: Tina@impactedsurvivors.com Website: www.impactedsurvivors.org IG: @impactedsurvivorsofmsKristina FaulknerEmail: kbellatino@gmail.comWebsite: www.getinspiredtherapy.com                www.impactedsurvivors.org  CHAPTERS:00:00 Welcome and Introductions01:12 Sharing Personal Losses03:11 Introducing Special Guest Sarah Cobb05:29 Sarah Cobb's Grief Journey13:51 Impact of Childhood Trauma23:47 Family Conversations on Grief30:35 Navigating Conversations About Loss33:52 Sharing Grief in Public Spaces40:11 Understanding Murder-Suicide45:04 Advice for New Grievers49:59 The Ongoing Process of Healing50:22 Closing Remarks and Resources