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'As big as the Berlin Wall and 9/11', Peter Frankopan on the Iran war


World-renowned historian Peter Frankopan joins Tom and Patrick to dissect the escalating conflict in Iran through the lens of ancient history and shifting civilisations. The Silk Roads author argues the war is less a standalone event and more the continuation of a century-long struggle for control over the "spine of the world" and its vital resources, namely oil.


Upending international law, decades-long alliances, and the norms of democracy, Frankopan posits that the war has buried multilateralism for good, and is as consequential for geopolitics as either the fall of the Berlin Wall or 9/11.


Hosts: General Sir Patrick Sanders and Tom Newton Dunn

Guest: Peter Frankopan

Producer: Shabnam Grewal

Executive producer: Fiona Leach

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