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Michael Giangreco | On the Overreliance of Paraprofessionals to Implement Inclusive Education
For this episode, I speak with Michael Giangreco, a University Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Special Education in the Department of Education at the University of Vermont and is affiliated with UVM's Center on Disability & Community Inclusion.
Michael and I discuss why many school systems rely too much on paraprofessionals when implementing inclusive education. We talk about why he cautions parents about advocating for that one-to-one for their child. And stick around till the end when Michael shares what inspired using cartoons as a communication tool.
I’ve seriously been so excited to share this interview with you. Dr. Giangreco has authored over 200 professional publications on various special education topics and presented extensively across the United States and internationally.
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28. Empowering Inclusion: Advocates Share Stories and Strategies
50:58||Season 12, Ep. 28About the Guest(s):Brilly Semenova: Brilly is a passionate advocate for individuals with disabilities, having started her advocacy journey during her middle school years. She is based in Maryland but operates nationally, providing resources and support to families and individuals. Her focus covers education, employment, social skills, and legal guidance for navigating benefits for people with disabilities.Nisha Batra: Nisha is a dedicated Early Childhood Educator and passionate disability advocate. She was recently honored with the King Charles III Award in recognition of her impactful advocacy work. Nisha firmly believes that normalizing differences empowers individuals and fosters a more inclusive and equitable society.Episode Summary:In this enlightening episode of Think Inclusive by Tim Villegas, inclusion advocates Brilly Semenova and Nisha Batra share their profound insights and personal journeys in promoting inclusive practices for individuals with disabilities. Brilli recounts her experiences from initiating mentorship programs in middle school to providing comprehensive resources for families navigating educational and legal systems. Her story emphasizes the importance of inclusivity in fostering supportive environments for individuals with different abilities.Nisha Batra brings a unique perspective with her background in early childhood education and her personal experience with a learning disability. She discusses the critical importance of celebrating diversity within educational settings and normalizing differences among students. By sharing her journey and professional insights, Nisha highlights the potential transformation inclusion can bring about in educational settings, fostering an environment where every student feels supported and valued.Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/empowering-inclusion-advocates-share-stories-and-strategies/Key Takeaways:-Brilly Semenova illustrates the need for mentorship and guidance programs for young individuals with disabilities to promote self-advocacy and inclusive environments.-Nisha Batra emphasizes the significance of acknowledging and celebrating diversity in classrooms, advocating for normalization of differences among students.-Both advocates highlight the necessity for educational and societal systems to be readily inclusive, moving towards environments that support diverse learners without needing them to 'be ready' first.-The conversation underscores the challenges and opportunities found within advocacy, highlighting the transformative power inclusion holds at both individual and systemic levels.-Practical examples of advocacy efforts and successful inclusion practices are discussed, showcasing real-world applications.Resources:Helpipedia: https://helpipedia.org/Nisha's Instagram: @TheSwanTransformation: https://www.instagram.com/theswantransformation/Thank you to our sponsor, IXL: ixl.com/inclusive27. Empowering Educators: Navigating Inclusive Education Challenges and Opportunities
55:08||Season 12, Ep. 27About the Guest(s):Nicole Eredics is a seasoned expert specializing in inclusive education, boasting over 25 years of experience in the field. Armed with degrees in elementary and special education, Nicole began her career as an inclusion teacher in British Columbia, Canada. She is the founder of the Inclusive Class and has been instrumental in implementing inclusive systems in over 150 schools across the United States since 2008. Also an esteemed author, her best-selling book "Inclusion in Action" is a vital resource for educators aiming to foster inclusive educational settings. Currently, Nicole offers her expertise as a national presenter and trainer for the Bureau of Education and Research, as well as an education and ed-tech consultant.Episode Summary:In this engaging episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas is joined by inclusive education expert Nicole Eredics. Eredics offers valuable insights into fostering inclusive education practices within school systems. The episode kicks off with an exploration of Nicole's rich history in education and her journey from advocating for inclusion in Canada to transforming schools across the United States. As the discussion unfolds, Nicole shares her experiences working with school districts, highlighting the advancements made in personalized instruction and the integration of technology to support diverse student needs. The conversation also delves into the complexities of standardized testing, the role of co-teaching models, and the substantial influence educators have on crafting positive educational experiences for all learners.As the dialogue deepens, Eredics underscores significant changes in education, particularly the growing emphasis on individual student needs and diversity awareness. These changes have sparked an evolution in instructional practices, the use of universal design for learning (UDL), and the availability of resources enhancing teachers' capabilities. However, Nicole also sheds light on the enduring challenges, like the rigidity of standardized systems and the struggles of grading students with varying needs. Offering tactical advice, she encourages educators to begin with small, manageable changes, such as observing their current classroom practices, while leveraging technology and collaboration to enhance their inclusive teaching methods.Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/empowering-educators-navigating-inclusive-education-challenges-and-opportunities-with-nicole-eredics/Key Takeaways:-Inclusive education requires a nuanced understanding of personalized instruction and the commitment to supporting diverse learners within the general education classroom.-Recent advancements highlight increased awareness of diversity and personalized instruction among educators, yet challenges like standardized testing and rigid grading systems remain barriers.-Co-teaching and Universal Design for Learning (UDL) are increasingly being embraced as vital components of inclusive educational practices.-Technology, particularly AI, is transforming how educators tackle customized learning needs, offering streamlined solutions for adapting lessons and teaching approaches.-Effective inclusive systems are bolstered by insightful leadership from administrators who understand and value inclusive practices.Resources:Nicole's book: https://amzn.to/3GdExBrVisit Nicole's website: https://www.theinclusiveclass.com/Thanks to our sponsor, IXL: ixl.com/inclusive26. The Power of Storytelling in Disability Rights with Jeiri Flores
01:21:17||Season 12, Ep. 26About the Guest(s):Jeiri Flores is a Puerto Rican disability rights activist based in Rochester, New York. After earning her bachelor's degree in Sociology and African American Studies from SUNY Brockport in 2014, she pursued a master's in Human Development at the University of Rochester. As a passionate advocate for disability rights, Jeiri shares her insights on inclusion, disability, and intersectionality at colleges and conferences, aiming to enlighten and inspire change. Her mission is to empower disabled youth to redefine societal narratives around disability.Episode Summary:In this episode of Think Inclusive listeners are introduced to the compelling story and advocacy journey of Jeiri Flores, a dynamic disability rights activist. Jeiri opens up about the relentless challenges faced by disabled individuals, particularly highlighting the dehumanization and isolation embedded within societal and systemic structures. Through engaging storytelling, she discusses the critical role of love and belonging in fostering truly inclusive communities and delves into how these spaces can transform by acknowledging the humanity of every individual.Throughout the conversation, Jeiri reflects on her advocacy's roots, nurtured from a young age while translating for her family, and how her practices have evolved over time. Key themes such as navigating healthcare systems, societal expectations, and the perpetual need for systemic change are explored. Jeiri also emphasizes the power of sharing personal narratives, not only as a form of advocacy but as a way to bridge connections between diverse experiences. As she navigates topics like love, belonging, and her intersectional identity, Jeiri provides a rich tapestry of insights that resonate deeply with educators, advocates, and anyone passionate about disability rights and inclusion.Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/the-power-of-storytelling-in-disability-rights-with-jeiri-flores/Key Takeaways:Authenticity and vulnerability are essential in effective advocacy, as they help build deeper connections and understanding.Navigating healthcare and societal systems poses significant challenges for disabled individuals, often leading to stress and self-segregation.Inclusion spaces thrive on recognizing every individual's humanity and embracing differences, with love serving as a guiding principle.Storytelling in advocacy can be a powerful tool for raising awareness and encouraging systemic change.The importance of engaging diverse voices in decision-making processes, particularly those directly affected by the outcomes.Resources:Jeiri on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/dangerously_gifted/Jeiri on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeiri-flores-b7bb3651/Jeiri's story about her mom: https://youtu.be/bq62Q7Cg85g?si=Il5zrhoH74ZcYRaaThank you to our sponsor, IXL: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive25. Disability Inclusive Curriculum: Changing Mindsets in Pennsylvania Schools and Nationwide
41:34||Season 12, Ep. 25About the Guest(s):Lisa Aquila is a dedicated advocate for disability rights and Vice Chair of the Board at Disability Equality in Education (DEE). Lisa's journey into disability advocacy began after a career as a home care attendant was cut short due to her own disability. As an education outreach specialist, she has been pivotal in lobbying for disability-inclusive curriculum legislation, co-founding the Coalition on Disability Inclusive Curriculum, and advancing the social model of disability. Her work aims to integrate disability discourse into general education, inspiring future generations to embrace diversity.Episode Summary:In this enlightening episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas welcomes Lisa Aquila, a fervent advocate for disability rights and Vice Chair at Disability Equality in Education. They explore the importance of integrating disability into K-12 education, emphasizing that disability is a natural part of human diversity. Through personal anecdotes and professional insights, Lisa outlines her journey from home care attendant to becoming a key figure in disability advocacy.Lisa shares her experience spearheading the disability-inclusive curriculum initiative, highlighting the success of the program piloted in Pennsylvania. The conversation delves into the social model of disability, focusing on how societal barriers can be dismantled through education. Both Lisa and Tim discuss the potential of early education in changing perceptions, advocating for resources and support systems that enable teachers to effectively incorporate disability studies into classrooms nationwide.Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/disability-inclusive-curriculum-changing-mindsets-in-pennsylvania-schools-and-nationwide/Key Takeaways:Disability is a natural part of human diversity and should be woven into everyday conversations and education to dismantle stigma.The disability-inclusive curriculum aims to educate K-12 students on the contributions of disabled individuals, promoting understanding and acceptance.Lisa Aquila and DEE work under the principle of "Nothing About Us Without Us," ensuring that disabled voices are central in creating educational content.The pilot project in Pennsylvania offers a blueprint for disability education that could inspire similar initiatives nationwide.Teachers have continuous support for integrating these lessons into their classrooms, fostering a more inclusive generation.Resources:Disability Equality in Education (DEE): https://www.disabilityequalityeducation.org/DEE email: info@DisabilityEqualityEducation.orgCall DEE at (724)726-1155Thanks to our sponsor, IXL. https://www.ixl.com/inclusiveOne parent's fight for inclusive education in Georgia
09:52||Season 12About the Guest(s):Chelsea Hutchings is a dedicated advocate for inclusive education, residing in Gwinnett County, Georgia. As a mother of five, with her youngest son having Down syndrome, she became intricately involved in advocating for systemic reform in special education after experiencing the challenges firsthand. Chelsea actively engages with local representatives, school board members, and community leaders to push for change and is a part of the Theo Hutchings Task Force for Inclusion. She has taken part in extensive learning experiences, including conferences and fellowship programs, to deepen her understanding and efficacy in advocacy work.Episode Summary:In this engaging bonus episode of the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education podcast, host Tim Villegas sheds light on the tenacious efforts of Chelsea Hutchings as she navigates the rugged terrain of advocating for inclusive education in Georgia. Meeting Chelsea at the Georgia State Capitol provided a firsthand look at her dynamic advocacy work with state representatives, including State Senator Clint Dixon.Chelsea Hutchings, a Gwinnett County parent, shares her inspirational journey advocating for inclusive education reform, driven by her direct experiences with the special education system's shortcomings. Chelsea ardently illustrates how her son, diagnosed with Down syndrome, was isolated within the educational system, leading her to champion the cause of inclusive education. By building a community-focused advocacy approach, Chelsea rallied support from local authorities, such as her city mayor, and worked on forming the Theo Hutchings Task Force for Inclusion. Throughout her advocacy journey, Chelsea highlighted the importance of being informed, persistent, and collaborative in effecting systemic change.Read the Weeklyish: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/one-parents-fight-for-inclusive-education-in-georgia/Transcript: https://otter.ai/u/7Fv-AGGijZrPiXRl86K-dJsn7h8?utm_source=copy_url24. Navigating Change in Education: A Conversation with Dr. Shelley Moore
58:35||Season 12, Ep. 24About the Guest(s):Dr. Shelley Moore is a renowned inclusive education researcher, teacher consultant, and storyteller based in British Columbia, Canada. Shelley holds a Special Education undergraduate degree from the University of Alberta, a Master's from Simon Fraser University, and a PhD from the University of British Columbia. She is highly sought after internationally for her insights on designing grade-level academic classrooms using strength-based and responsive approaches to include students with intellectual disabilities. She runs Outside Pin Consulting, a company dedicated to promoting diverse voices and expertise in inclusive education.Episode Summary:Join Tim Villegas in a riveting episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast featuring Dr. Shelley Moore, a leading voice in inclusive education. Kicking off the episode, Dr. Moore shares empowering strategies for educators to embrace inclusivity and teamwork within schools, emphasizing the transformational potential of collaboration. The conversation weaves through her personal journey as a parent, shedding light on mindful practices amidst the struggles educators face due to a lack of resources, systemic challenges, and DEI efforts in the U.S. and Canada.Furthermore, Dr. Moore and Tim delve into their professional practices, specifically within mindfulness's impact on educators. Touching on cultural and systemic barriers to inclusivity, they discuss the resistance of change and the pressure on educators to reform traditional models. Dr. Moore highlights her latest initiative, Outside Pin Consulting, which fosters a collective community for diverse perspectives, advocating for student agency over independence. Ending on a thought-provoking note, Dr. Moore shares insights on moving forward amidst adversity in the field of inclusive education.Complete show note + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/navigating-change-in-education-a-conversation-with-dr-shelley-moore/Key Takeaways:Educators are encouraged to collaborate with one another, emphasizing the value of teamwork in creating inclusive classroom environments.The concept of independence versus agency is explored, highlighting the need for tailored expectations and goals for students with disabilities.Outside Pin Consulting is introduced as a platform for gathering diverse educational voices and expertise to work towards inclusive education.The importance of mindfulness and meditation is discussed as a valuable tool for educators to stay grounded and present amidst chaotic and overwhelming circumstances.Dr. Moore and Tim address systemic educational challenges, touching on the topic of limited resources and the misconception of resource allocation in inclusive practices.Resources:Outside Pin Consulting: https://www.drshelleymoore.com/outside-pin"People are NOT Supports" video by Shelley Moore: https://youtu.be/rOlUnnxCspA?si=12TxE-iN64KKMFSIThank you to our sponsor, IXL: https://www.ixl.com/inclusiveRebuilding Education: Navigating Policy Changes and Their Impact on Schools ~ Think Inclusive Now
01:49:12||Season 12About the Guest(s):Tim Villegas: Tim is associated with the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education. He is also the host of the Think Inclusive podcast and Director of Communications at the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education.Ashley Barlow: A special education attorney and advocate, Ashley also hosts the Collaborative IEP Podcast. She offers extensive insights into legal aspects and advocacy for inclusive education.Janet Roche: Known for co-producing the Inclusive Designers Podcast alongside Carolyn Robbins, Janet is also an advocate of trauma-informed design and a co-founder of Trauma-Informed Design Society.Sam Drazin: As the Executive Director of Changing Perspectives, Sam is engaged in promoting inclusive education in schools. He is also known for his podcast, Sip and Sam Inclusion Coffee Talk.Savitha Sundar: Host of the Inclusive Occupations Podcast, Savitha brings her expertise as an occupational therapist to offer insights into inclusive practices throughout different professional environments.Lori Boll: Executive Director of Senia International and host of the SENIA Happy Hour podcast, Lori's work focuses on championing inclusion for students with special needs around the world.Diana Pastora Carson: An educator with a passion for disability advocacy, Diana hosts the Beyond Awareness: Disability Awareness That Matters podcast.Episode Summary:Join Tim Villegas and an esteemed panel of experts as they dive into the complexities of rebuilding education in light of recent policy changes affecting schools. This episode is brimming with insightful discussion on the importance of inclusive education and the challenges posed by changes at the political level. Each guest shares their perspectives reflecting varied fields, from special education law, occupational therapy, to teacher preparation and inclusive design, emphasizing the urgency of collaborative advocacy for students with disabilities.The conversation is rich with details about potential impacts of policy alterations on inclusive educational practices. Ashley Barlow breaks down complex legal shifts, while Janet Roche introduces the principles of trauma-informed design. The discourse extends to Sam Drazin who passionately highlights the significance of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) and Savita Sundar who discusses concerns faced by service providers in education. Lori Boll tunes in with a global perspective, discussing how changes in the United States affect international schools, while Diana Pastora Carson emphasizes the role of educators in advocacy. Sam Drazin powerfully closes with a call for unity in advancing disability inclusion worldwide. This episode is a treasure trove for educators, advocates, and families focused on inclusive practices during these challenging times.Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/rebuilding-education-navigating-policy-changes-and-their-impact-on-schools-think-inclusive-now/Key Takeaways:-The current political climate demands increased awareness and advocacy from educators, focusing on protecting students' rights under IDEA.Trauma-informed design plays a critical role in creating calming, inclusive environments in schools.-The removal of DEI initiatives could harm the educational system by reducing the empathy and understanding necessary for truly inclusive practices.-Grassroots advocacy in education has proven impactful, reflecting a need for continued collective action to address policy challenges.-The discourse on school choice and voucher systems highlights a concern for increased segregation and inequity in education.23. Creating Neurodiversity Affirming Schools with Emily Kircher-Morris and Amanda Morin
01:00:40||Season 12, Ep. 23About the Guest(s):Amanda Morin: A renowned neurodivergent neurodiversity activist, Amanda Morin is an award-winning author, specialist in early childhood and behavioral studies, a certified teacher, and a nationally acclaimed speaker. She has dedicated her career to creating accessible, inclusive environments for neurodivergent individuals, working with educational professionals and parents to enhance understanding of mental health, neurodiversity, and disability.Emily Kircher Morris: Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) and host of the Neurodiversity Podcast, Emily specializes in supporting neurodivergent, twice-exceptional, and gifted individuals. Based in St. Louis, Missouri, she began her career in education and now runs a private mental health practice. Through her books and podcast, Emily explores the complex psychological, educational, and social needs of neurodivergent people.Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/creating-neurodiversity-affirming-schools-with-emily-kircher-morris-and-amanda-morin/Episode Summary:Explore the transformative world of neurodiversity in education with host Tim Villegas and his guests Emily Kircher Morris, and Amanda Morin. This episode of Think Inclusive focuses on thought-provoking insights from their book, "Neurodiversity Affirming Schools." The conversation ventures into the heart of inclusive education, emphasizing strategies that create positive learning environments for all students by fostering an understanding of neurodiversity in schools.Discover how Amanda Morin and Emily Kircher Morris harness their expertise to challenge traditional perspectives on behavior and education. The dialogue introduces the concept of using identity-first language rather than person-first language to better support neurodivergent individuals, a practice that has stemmed from the neurodiversity movement. They address critical issues such as behavior management and the importance of co-regulation and mental health awareness among educators. By promoting a shift from ableism to inclusivity, this episode offers a guide for educators striving to make impactful changes in their teaching practices.Key Takeaways:-Neurodiversity-affirming practices are transforming educational environments by embracing and supporting all brain types and learning strategies, benefiting students and educators alike.-Amanda and Emily highlight the significance of using identity-first language in place of person-first terminology, as promoted by self-advocates within the neurodiversity movement.-Fostering a collaborative atmosphere among educators and related service providers is essential for supporting neurodivergent and twice-exceptional students.-The discussion on behavior reframes conventional perspectives, advocating for understanding stress behavior and emphasizing co-regulation between teachers and students.-The podcast offers practical recommendations, encouraging educators to make small yet meaningful changes that lead to substantial improvements in inclusive education practices.Resources:Neurodiversity Podcast: Hosted by Emily Kircher Morris, investigating the needs of neurodivergent individuals: https://www.neurodiversitypodcast.com/Neurodiversity Affirming Schools Podcast: A limited series complementing the book by Amanda Morin and Emily Kircher Morris: https://www.neurodiversityaffirmingschools.com/Thanks to our sponsor, IXL: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive22. Emmy-Winning Documentary Everybody Dance Celebrates Inclusion
57:20||Season 12, Ep. 22About the Guest(s):Dan Watt is a distinguished producer and director, recognized for his work on the 2024 Emmy Award-winning documentary "Everybody Dance." With a rich background in film, Dan has worked on notable projects with Columbia Pictures, including "House Bunny" and "Just Go with It." Beyond film production, he collaborated on a documentary with entertainment icon Simon Cowell about the band One Direction. Dan is currently producing upcoming documentaries with Tony and Pulitzer Prize-winning producer Daryl Roth and Rosie O'Donnell. His notable work underscores his commitment to inclusive storytelling and transformative educational experiences.Episode Summary:Dive into this insightful episode of Think Inclusive, hosted by Tim Villegas, featuring the accomplished producer and director, Dan Watt. Broadcasting from the CEC Conference in Baltimore, Tim explores the intricacies and inspiration behind Dan's Emmy Award-winning work, "Everybody Dance." This compelling documentary unravels the transformative power of inclusive dance education, emphasizing community and personal growth for children with disabilities.This episode delves deeply into the concept of inclusivity and the integral role of community and arts in fostering an environment where neurotypical children and those with disabilities can flourish together. Dan Watt shares his journey from working at Columbia Pictures to creating a heartwarming documentary that highlights the resilience and determination of its young subjects. Key insights include the importance of exposure to diverse environments, the benefits of inclusive educational practices, and the profound insights shared by the children featured in "Everybody Dance." Learn how fostering inclusive spaces in educational and extracurricular settings can break down barriers and transform lives.Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/emmy-winning-documentary-everybody-dance-celebrates-inclusion/Key Takeaways:Inclusive environments allow neurotypical kids and kids with disabilities to learn from each other, fostering understanding and community.The film "Everybody Dance" showcases how arts and dancing can build confidence and determination, benefiting children in multiple areas of life.Dan Watt stresses the importance of instructors adapting their teaching styles to reach all students, enhancing inclusivity in educational settings.Establishing safe and inclusive spaces for all students encourages them to express themselves freely and grow together.The documentary highlights the shared human desire for belonging and the joy of finding a community where everyone fits in.Resources:Everybody Dance: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0B5KLD2JD/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r Dan Watt on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancindanw/Thanks to our sponsor, IXL. Learn more: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive