The Third Way

In this episode Jess is joined by Hazem Jamjoum.Hazem is a Palestinian educator and an editor with the recently-established publishing house Maqam Editions. His translation of Ghassan Kanafani's The Revolution of 1936-1939 in Palestine was published by 1804 Press in 2023, and his translation of Maya Abu al-Hayyat's No One Knows their Blood Type was released by the CSU Poetry Center in October 2024.  Their honest and at times raw conversation is a call to action to all of us, a call to asking better questions, a call to facing our shared complicity and ultimately a call to take responsibility and play our part in standing up against injustice everywhere and building new worlds.As always, let us know what you think in the comments on IG and join us not just by listening but by participating in our Open Forums.Connect with Hazem on IGEngage with Hazem's work hereClips from the panel Hazem spoke on, hosted by the Nejma Collective, Jess refers to in the episdode:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3a0OY5K0jQ/?igsh=MTR4YThoYWxmbm1yYg==https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35aAfrqbYd/?igsh=MWJtN2M1YnV2OXFzbA==Healthy Humans Open Forum Sign Up Link Check out The AWETHU School of Organising Jess mentioned in their intro.​​Find us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat

Welcome to a brand new season of Healthy Humans for Social Change!In this kickoff episode, host and founder Jess Mally (they/she) is interviewed by Emma Slade Edmondson.This engaging conversation sets the stage for an exciting season ahead.Emma skillfully guides Jess through a candid discussion about their hopes for the upcoming season, the challenges they face in the work of social change, and their ongoing efforts to break free from white supremacy culture.From the raw honesty in this episode to the inspiring guests lined up for the season, we invite you to engage deeply with these conversations.Join us not just by listening but by participating in our Open Forums and connecting with us on social media.ABOUT EMMA:Emma Slade Edmondson is a sustainability consultant, writer, ethical fashion advocate and presenter, who currently splits her time between London and Paris. Writing on sustainability, fashion and Race and Identity for publications like Marie Claire, Grazia and Eco Age. In 2020 she launched her award-winning podcast Mixed Up; An exploration of Race and Identity through the lens of the Mixed Race experience. Her first book The Half Of It is written with friend and co presenter Nicole Orcan, and is an exploration of race and identity through the lens of the mixed race experience is published by HarperCollins.Emma is a thought leader working across all elements of fashion retail, sustainability, race, marketing and branding.OTHER HELPFUL LINKS:The Half Of It by Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole OcranWe Will Not Cancel Us - adrienne maree brownHealthy Humans Open Forum Sign Up Link Follow and engage with Emma's work:Emma's InstagramThe Mixed Up Podcast​​Find us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat

In this episode, Jess is joined by their friend, chosen family and comrade Jo Becker. Jo and Jess met at a Civil Resistance training course a few years back and have been in each others lives since. Jo (they/she) is currently doing their PhD in the field of autonomous spaces, prefigurative politics and degrowth. This is grounded in political organising bringing anti-hierarchical, abolitionist and climate justice perspectives/praxis together.They can be reached as @treesnpeace on Instagram or @josephinebeckr on twitter - they use both platforms to chat politics, usually in form of anger and rage at what is happening in the world.In this episode they cover so much ground - from imagining different economies and worlds, to the importance of true solidarity, to their different thoughts on how to call people into the work of social change and their shared passion and belief that things don’t have to be this way.Sources mentioned in the episode:Bell Hooks - The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and LoveSome orgs that run book clubs:Abolitionist FuturesEveryday Racism BookclubNetpol copwatch and anti-raids groups/trainingJess Antiracism course - https://www.jessmally.com/eventsFind a Soup Kitchen in LondonHealthy Humans Open Forum Sign Up Link Follow and engage with Jo’s work:InstagramTwitter​​Find us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat

In this episode Jess is joined by the author, broadcaster and social advocate Yassmin Abdel-Magied. They both happened to be in NYC for various reasons and decided to get together to record this long awaited episode. They cover so much - from Yassmin's advocacy and organising work, her writing, the role her faith plays in her work and the balance between organising offline and online. They talk about healthy as a groundedness and rootedness, about holding opinions lightly and the importance of being willing to change and so much more. They also touched on Yassmin's advocacy work for Sudan - links to learn more and get involved in amplifying Sudanese voices below!Sudan:eyesonsudan.netConnect with Yassmin:WebsiteIGTikTokYassmin's BooksYassmin's Substack piece

TW: Racism, suicidal ideationIn this episode, Jess Mally interviews Andre Henry, bestselling author, award-winning musician, and activist based in Los Angeles. Jess and Andre cover so much ground in this conversation - from Andre’s journey into activism, including their awakening to systemic racism, their studies and exploration of armed struggle vs nonviolent resistance as a strategy, what healthy means to them and how our movement spaces desperately need to centre care, community and relationships to sow a better future into the soil of today.Andre shares vulnerably and openly about their own journey with depression, the way out and how that journey taught them - among other things - how the body is a key strategic battleground in the work of liberation. It’s an incredible conversation, but it ain't short ;) so grab a cuppa or listen in two parts - we promise it’s worth it!Books and Resources mentioned:All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep - Andre HenryBook of Five Rings by Miyamoto MusashiThe Greater Good Science CenterConnect with Andre:Join Andre’s newsletter via the website IG @theandrehenryAndre’s podcast - Hope and Hardpills Podcast Register for An Introduction to Anti-racism:www.jessmally.com/eventsJess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat

In this episode, Jess is joined by Ani Zonneveld, founder and President of Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV), an international human rights organization that advocates for social justice and equality for all. In this conversation, Ani shares about her journey from being a Grammy Award winning singer-songwriter to founding MPV, her thoughts on the intersection of faith and social justice and why she has committed to framing all her work from compassion and love.Connect with Ani:Ani's personal website (including links to her music)MPV WebsiteFacebookX: @AniZonneveldIG: @AniZonneveldMuslims For Progressive ValuesAni's Op Ed mentioned in the conversationPurple Check Mark

In this episode, Jess is joined by Suhaiymah Manzoor-Khan, a poet and writer whose work disrupts assumptions about history, race, violence and knowledge.From interrogating our intentions, to moving past feeling unable to move and act at all, they explore the role of a divine gaze in our social change work. Suhaiymah shares beautifully about her faith and how it impacts her work, about her work with the Nejma collective and so much more. Finally, they land on the idea that we are all here for a reason, all have our part to play and can start wherever we are right now.Names referenced - learn more:Talal AssadRumiSaba Mahmoud www.suhaiymah.comIG - @thebrownhijabi X - @thebrownhijabi Connect with and support the Nejma Collective:IG - @NejmaCollectiveX - @NejmaCollectiveWebsiteRegister for An Introduction to Anti-racism:www.jessmally.com/eventsThe Yikes Pod EpFollow these journalists who are reporting straight from Gaza:Motaz AzaizaBisanPlestia AlaqadResources to learn more about what’s happening in Palestine / Israel:Daniel B Mate IG Live (it’s long but I highly recommend it)Palestine Academy Resources to make your voices heard for the people of Gaza:Email your MP with this templatePalestinian Youth Movement (find out about rallies)Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat

In this episode, Jess is joined by the powerhouse sisters and Anti-Racism educators Naomi and Natalie. From the beginnings of their platform @everydayracism_ , the UK’s largest anti-racism platform on social media, to what racism actually means and what anti-racism requires of us in practice.Naomi and Natalie expand on how their understanding of anti-racism requires an analysis of capitalism, coalition building across lived experiences an intersectional approach and actively imagining a different world. Connect with Naomi and Natalie:Everyday Racism websiteEveryday Racism Instagram Natalie Evans InstagramNaomi Natasha Evans Instagram Everyday Racism threads accountSign the petition:Sign the racial literacy training petition Sign up to Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay MowatOther links:Parable of the Sower - Octavia ButlerWhy I No Longer Talking to White People About Race - Reni Eddo-LodgeThe body is not an apology - Sonya Renee TaylorAn Introduction to Anti-racism Course by Jess