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0.16 | You Only Get What You're Organized to Take

Season 0, Ep. 16

Join Ell as she interviews co-host Rev. Liz Theoharis and new guest Noam Sandweiss-Back on their book, You Only Get What You're Organized to Take. What does it mean to be a poor people's movement? How is God already at work among the poor? And what kind of progress to you make when the people most affected by the exploitation of our society are also the people who change the systems under which we live? Dive into some of the answers to these questions and more in this episode of The Word in Black and Red.


Rev. Liz Theo Harris is a theologian, author, pastor, and anti-poverty organizer. She's the founder and executive director of the Kairos Center for Religion, Rights, and Social Justice. She is also ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church USA, co-pastor of the Freedom Church of the Poor, and Teaches at Union Theological Seminary in New York.


Noam Sandweiss-Back is the program coordinator at the Kairos Center and organizes with the Poor People's campaign. He has spent a decade organizing among the poor and dispossessed.


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