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Can AI Take Over Your Flooring Admin? with Steve Jones
Recorded live at the Flooring Forum during The Flooring Show 2026 in Harrogate, Steve Jones, founder of BillyBot, joins The UK Flooring Podcast to discuss how AI could reduce the admin involved in running a flooring business.
After building his own commercial flooring company, Steve began developing an AI assistant around problems he had experienced first hand. He explains why quoting became the starting point, and why getting it right involved far more than asking ChatGPT to produce a price.
Steve talks through how BillyBot uses supplier price lists, customer information and individual pricing rules to build quotes. The conversation also explores handling emails, preparing RAMS and keeping track of jobs, with opportunities to review information and approve documents before they are sent.
With questions from the Flooring Forum audience, the session covers room scanning, voice notes, floor plans and managing fitter availability. Steve also explains why critical measurements still need checking and how the systems behind AI help produce more consistent results.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- How Steve moved from commercial floor fitting to developing AI software for flooring businesses.
- Why quoting was one of the most complicated processes to automate.
- How supplier price lists and emailed price changes can feed into a quoting system.
- Applying different markups, minimum charges and customer pricing rules.
- The difference between a basic ChatGPT prompt and a connected business system.
- How customer emails can be used to create jobs and update existing records.
- Drafting email replies and RAMS for approval before sending.
- Using room scans and voice notes to create floor plans and quotations.
- Why measurements still need checking when planning critical cuts.
- Managing fitting diaries, fitter skills, availability and job notifications.
- How reducing repetitive admin could free up time for other parts of the business.
Memorable Quote:
“It’s like talking to a human assistant. It’s exactly how it should work.”
Steve Jones
Speaker Information:
Steve Jones
Flooring Contractor and Founder, BillyBot
Steve has worked in flooring since leaving school and built his own commercial flooring business. He created BillyBot to tackle the repetitive admin involved in running a flooring company, drawing on his experience of quoting, managing jobs and keeping the business organised.
Where to Find BillyBot:
Website: https://billybot.ai/
Where to Find The UK Flooring Podcast:
Website: https://theukflooringpodcast.co.uk/
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Produced by Cockerill & Co.
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10. Getting Subfloor Preparation Right with F. Ball’s Simon Jenkins & Steve Lane
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7. What Is Your Flooring Business Really Worth? With Martyn Cohen
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6. Are Flooring Shops Dead? with Ben Wain
19:34||Season 7, Ep. 6Recorded live at the Flooring Forum during The Flooring Show 2026 in Harrogate, Tom is joined by business consultant Ben Wain to tackle a question facing independent retailers: are flooring shops dead?Ben’s answer is no, but the way customers shop has changed. People are researching online before visiting, and retailers need to think about the whole customer experience, from their first video to their first step inside the showroom.Tom and Ben discuss what they would prioritise when opening a flooring shop today, including a clear website, social media with personality, the right team and a proper understanding of who they want to sell to.With questions from retailers and suppliers in the Flooring Forum audience, the conversation also covers finding time for content, making better use of sales data and tackling the habit of collecting display stands that don’t earn their place.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:The five things Ben would prioritise when starting a flooring retail business, plus the key numbers he would track.Why showing the people behind your business helps customers feel comfortable before they visit.The importance of hiring for attitude and making time for proper staff training.How knowing your target customer should shape your showroom, product range and marketing.Why fewer, better-chosen display stands can make buying flooring easier.Practical ways to fit social media into a busy working week.How sales data, customer records and AI can help retailers make better decisions.What good supplier representatives should bring to your business beyond another product stand.Why exclusivity matters to independent retailers competing with larger shops and online sellers.Memorable Quote:“Every single space in your showroom carries value.”Ben WainSpeaker InformationBen WainBusiness Consultant, Coach and SpeakerBen works with retailers across flooring, furniture and kitchens, helping them improve performance, profitability and the way they run their businesses.Website: wainconsultancy.co.ukLinkedIn: Wain Consultancy & CoachingWhere to Find The UK Flooring Podcast:Website: theukflooringpodcast.co.ukYouTube: Cockerill & CoInstagram: @theukflooringpodcastFacebook: The UK Flooring PodcastListen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, or watch on the Cockerill & Co YouTube channel.
5. How Flooring Software Can Save Time, Reduce Waste and Protect Profit with Jason Hill
52:12||Season 7, Ep. 5In this episode of The UK Flooring Podcast, Tom sits down with Jason Hill, co-owner of South Coast Floors and founder of PlanIt Flooring.After more than 25 years working in technology and start-up businesses, Jason thought he was leaving the tech world behind when he joined a flooring company in Southampton. Instead, he found an industry still heavily reliant on pads, pens, PDF price lists and knowledge stored inside people’s heads.Unable to find software designed around the way flooring businesses actually operate, Jason built his own.What began as an internal estimating and EPOS system for South Coast Floors quickly attracted interest from fitters, retailers and flooring businesses across the UK and beyond. Jason explains how PlanIt Flooring can help businesses produce professional quotations, manage rolls and stock, calculate margins, communicate with customers and reduce the time spent on paperwork.Tom and Jason also explore why flooring businesses often underprice jobs by overlooking fixed costs, how better systems can make a business more valuable, and why professionalism can matter more than being the cheapest.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:• How Jason moved from a 25-year career in technology into the flooring industry.• Why generic retail and estimating software often fails to meet the needs of flooring businesses.• How PlanIt Flooring developed from an internal tool into software used by businesses across the trade.• How supplier price lists can be imported from PDFs without manually entering every product.• How fitters can turn spoken measurements, photographs and hand-drawn plans into professional quotations.• The difference between PlanIt Estimating and PlanIt EPOS.• How flooring retailers can manage rolls, remnants, pallets and stock across different locations.• Why fixed costs must be included when pricing flooring jobs.• How quicker quotations and better customer communication can help businesses win more work.• Why a professional written quotation can be more persuasive than offering the lowest price.• How customer records, quotations and job history can create transferable value within a flooring business.• How early users from across the flooring trade are helping shape new features.• The potential for technology to reduce paperwork and give flooring professionals more time away from the business.Memorable Quote:“It’s actually been built by the flooring trade, for the flooring trade.”Speaker Information:Jason Hill is the co-owner of South Coast Floors in Southampton and the founder of PlanIt Flooring.Before entering the flooring industry, Jason spent more than 25 years working with technology and start-up businesses, progressing from small teams to board-level roles. He has used that experience to develop estimating and EPOS software around the practical challenges faced by flooring fitters, retailers and trade counters.Where to Find Jason and PlanIt Flooring:PlanIt Flooring:https://planitflooring.com/Email:info@planitflooring.comSouth Coast Floors:https://www.scfloors.co.uk/Where to Find The UK Flooring Podcast:Website:https://theukflooringpodcast.co.uk/YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@cockerillco6141Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59DLhGPVKNtVoS656EYtxqApple Podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-uk-flooring-podcast/id1606720642Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/theukflooringpodcast/Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/theukflooringpodcast/Produced by Cockerill & Co.
4. The Flooring Skills Gap: Training, Competence and the Future of the Trade with F. Ball
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