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A hello and update from Caroline & Liz

It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!

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  • 4. The Liverpool Parade - Rampage at the parade

    35:48||Season 13, Ep. 4
    In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the sentence of Paul Doyle and play for the first time some of the shocking dashcam footage that sealed his fate. They detail how he spent time in jail as a much younger man for a serious violent offence and how his reputation now lies in tatters.They also speak to a mother and her son, who were caught up in the carnage, and who helped rescue fans trapped beneath Paul Doyle’s Ford Galaxy.And they bring you an interview with hero Dan Barr, the former soldier and supporter who ran towards danger to bring the car to a stop and who has been commended for his bravery.
  • 3. The Liverpool Parade - Two Minutes of Carnage

    40:54||Season 13, Ep. 3
    In this episode Caroline and Liz reveal the reason Paul Doyle changed his pleas to guilty - his own dashcam footage. The footage was played in court today and it captured the crucial 2 minutes when he rammed his car into 134 people. Some bounced off his bonnet while others were dragged under the wheels. Many of his victims were in court and they gasped as they saw the carnage he inflicted in just a few seconds.
  • 2. The Liverpool Parade - Why did he do it?

    30:24||Season 13, Ep. 2
    Why did Paul Doyle lose control and smash his car into dozens of people as they celebrated Liverpool FC’s league cup win? In this episode, ahead of his sentencing hearing next week Caroline and Liz sit down with Criminologist and former Prison Governor Professor David Wilson who has a possible explanation.
  • Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - "Not in My Name"

    33:03|
    In this third special episode about Government plans to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz chat to a survivor of child sexual abuse. Vicki Crawford spent years believing she was culpable for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her sister's older boyfriend when she was just 14, and when she finally did seek justice decades later her experience was one of inefficiency, push back and delay. But despite this, she told us, the jury system is a fundamental right in a democratic system and should be retained at all costs. She also questioned if the Justice Secretary David Lammy had spoken to survivors of sexual violence before he tried to push through his reforms.
  • Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - The Verdict on Jury Reform

    36:56|
    After David Lammy yesterday unveiled his proposals to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz have the verdict from one of the country’s top barristers. Chris Henley KC said the Justice Secretary’s plans showed “contempt for ordinary people.” He said the issues in the court system which cause unacceptable delays are “embarrassing” but the jury system was not one of the problems. He also said trust in the justice system would be undermined.
  • Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped?

    42:07|
    Should juries be scrapped? In this special bonus episode Caroline and Liz investigate leaked plans from the justice secretary to abolish jury trials for the majority of cases. It would be a fundamental change to our justice system. And it’s not gone down well.
  • 1. The Liverpool Parade - Road Rage

    35:34||Season 13, Ep. 1
    In this episode Caroline and Liz have the reason football fans were knocked down “like skittles” by a former marine.  It was road rage. Paul Doyle was driving through the city as dozens of people celebrated Liverpool FCs League title, but he grew agitated that families wouldn’t get out of his way and he ploughed into them in his Ford Galaxy. Today as he dramatically changed his pleas to guilty we have all the details from the court. 
  • 11. The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Why?”

    42:20||Season 12, Ep. 11
    Guilty of harassment but Not Guilty of stalking. That’s the jury’s verdict today on Julia Wandelt’s “relentless” pursuit of the parents of Madeleine McCann. It means she could soon be released from prison and likely deported back to Poland. In this episode Caroline and Claire have all the reactions from the court, including how the McCanns said they hoped she can now get the care and support she needs. Plus we have an interview with Julia Wandelt’s father who told us how damaged she was after she was abused by her step-grandfather and he feels - like the McCanns - that he has also lost his daughter.
  • 10. The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Crack Pots” and “Nutters”

    28:31||Season 12, Ep. 10
    Today Caroline and Claire have the moment the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was accused of being in a state of “almost inertia”. The barrister for Karen Spragg said Julia Wandelt was treated like a “nutter” by the police when she said she might be Madeleine McCann, and they should have taken her DNA sooner. The jury were also told that people who were concerned about Madeleine’s abduction were not all “crack pots”.