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The Inquiry: The Triplets
Season 3, Ep. 35
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We now know babies should not have died and been harmed at the Countess of Chester Hospital. They should not have been left at the mercy of Lucy Letby because more should have been done sooner to stop her. But there were too many failings. Too many people with the wrong priorities, and staggeringly not enough concern from senior leaders about the deaths of babies.
Two of those babies were Baby O and Baby P. They were triplets murdered by Lucy Letby in June 2015 when they were a few days old. Their surviving brother is now 10 years old. In this episode Caroline and Liz outline what happened to them and we have the reaction from their families to what we now know after Lady Justice Thirlwall's scathing report.
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39:32||Season 3, Ep. 37In this final episode of our coverage of the Thirlwall Inquiry, Caroline and Liz examine Lucy Letby's behaviour - behaviour which Lady Justice Thirlwall says demonstrated she was cold, callous, untruthful and calculating. Evidence revealed to the inquiry showed she appeared to be excited by the death of the babies, she often intruded on the grief of parents, she found babies who were well to be "boring" and she repeatedly disobeyed orders to stay away from the intensive care unit. It's behaviour experts now say it not "beige" or "vanilla" but is much more typical of a serial killer. This episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/Follow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeFollow us on instagram @TheTrialPodSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskClick here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Email us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProducer: Chelsey RanoreAssistant Producer: Harriet MuckleProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniA Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.
36. The Inquiry: Dysfunctional Management
51:41||Season 3, Ep. 36Dysfunctional, dishonest and defensive. They abdicated responsibilities, made decisions which were “impossible to defend” and expert reports were "doctored". Those were just some of the scathing comments Lady Justice Thirlwall made about the managers at the Countess of Chester Hospital.Today, in the third episode reflecting on the Thirlwall Report, Caroline and Liz analyse the failures of Ian Harvey, Tony Chambers and Alison Kelly. We also chat to Darren Thorne, the author of Hidden in Plain Sight, an internal investigation into the Countess of Chester Hospital which took place after Lucy Letby was removed from the unit. He interviewed some of the senior managers and investigated how the hospital was governed. His findings then about chronic dysfunction mirror much of what Lady Justice Thirlwall has now outlined. This episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/Follow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeFollow us on instagram @TheTrialPodSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskClick here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Email us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProducer: Chelsey RanoreAssistant Producer: Harriet MuckleProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniA Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.
34. The Inquiry: Babies Should Not Have Died
54:23||Season 3, Ep. 34We now know for certain, babies should not have died at the Countess of Chester Hospital. In her scathing report into the failings which allowed Lucy Letby to harm babies for months, Lady Justice Thirlwall said three babies should not have died and seven more should not have been harmed. In her scathing report she condemned a fundamental lack of understanding of basic safeguarding regulations, a “tribal” approach from nurses, and an “exercise in spin” from senior leaders to delay police being called in to investigate. She also said the parents of the babies were treated reprehensibly. In this episode Caroline and Liz have her key findings and her urgent recommendations.Subscribe via https://plus.thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamAssistant Producer: Harriet MuckleProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.
33. The Inquiry: The Hospital’s Day of Reckoning
01:00:23||Season 3, Ep. 33Could Lucy Letby have been stopped sooner? Could babies have been saved? Was there an orchestrated hospital cover up? Were parents consistently lied to? Did a toxic hospital culture allow a serial killer to remain undetected for months? Today Lady Justice Thirlwall is likely to answer these questions and more when she publishes her long-awaited report into the failings at the Countess of Chester Hospital.In this bonus episode Caroline and Liz dissect the key moments from the seven month inquiry as they prepare to read her findings.Subscribe via https://plus.thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamAssistant Producer: Harriet MuckleProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.
32. Conviction
46:27||Season 3, Ep. 32In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence.The Trial of Lucy Letby is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listening, full access to all our shows, early access to new shows, and bonus episodes.Follow us on Instagram @TheTrialPod.Follow us on TikTok @dailymailcrimeFollow us on X @thetrialpodcastSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Click here to sign up for The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world.Hosts: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative director: Caroline CheethamExecutive Producer: Jamie EastProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniA Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more informationLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices\
31. "The Game of Law”
01:03:44||Season 3, Ep. 31In this episode Caroline and Liz sit down with the man at the centre of the chatter about the safety of Lucy Letby’s convictions - the man who was never called to give evidence in her trial. In this interview Dr Mike Hall questions the justice system, if jury trials are always the best way to try complex cases and his concerns about the tactics of Lucy Letby’s new barrister Mark MacDonald. The Trial of Lucy Letby is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listening, full access to all our shows, early access to new shows, and bonus episodes.Follow us on Instagram @TheTrialPod.Follow us on TikTok @dailymailcrimeFollow us on X @thetrialpodcastSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Click here to sign up for The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world.Hosts: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative director: Caroline CheethamExecutive Producer: Jamie EastProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniA Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more informationLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices\
30. 30: The Inquiry: Over to the CCRC
25:09||Season 3, Ep. 30In this episode Caroline and Liz have the latest on Lucy Letby’s defence case after her barrister Mark McDonald hand delivered the evidence which he says proves her convictions are unsafe, to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. So we sent Liz to have a chat with him. Also we’d love to know a bit more about you, and the kind of content you like - so we can bring you more of it. It’s a super-short survey but it would be so valuable to us if you could find 2 minutes to fill it in. Here’s the link: https://ex-plorsurvey.com/survey/selfserve/550/g517/250305?list=4The Trial of Lucy Letby is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listening, full access to all our shows, early access to new shows, and bonus episodes.Follow us on Instagram @TheTrialPod.Follow us on TikTok @dailymailcrimeFollow us on X @thetrialpodcastSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Click here to sign up for The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world.Hosts: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative director: Caroline CheethamExecutive Producer: Jamie EastProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniA Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more informationLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices\
29. 29: The Inquiry: Trial Update
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