Share

The Slow Newscast
We call her Emma
When the Arab Spring reached Syria in 2011, Bashar al-Assad's regime showed itself for what it really was: a brutal force, willing to capture and kill ordinary Syrians demanding change. And in all the years that a war raged on, Asma stood by her husband. She seemingly ignored the desperate pleas to stop her husband from killing his own people.
But what did she really know about the atrocities her husband’s government was carrying out? And what choices did she really have? Some people allege that she actually assisted the regime and cashed in on the war, that she herself is a war criminal. Others say she tried to run away but was trapped, held hostage by a regime who threatened her life and her children.
So, who is the real Asma...or Emma as she was known?
We call her Emma is a 6 part original series from Tortoise Investigates and The Observer.
To binge listen to all episodes today, ad-free, subscribe to The Observer and use the code AUDIO50 to get 50% off your annual subscription.
Or subscribe to Observer+ on Apple Podcasts or Spotify to listen to all our podcasts, including this one, without any ads.
Reporter - Chloe Hadjimatheou
Producer - Gary Marshall
Sound design - Karla Patella
Podcast artwork - Lola Williams & Eliza Bourner
Executive producers - Jasper Corbett and Basia Cummings
More episodes
View all episodes

440. What made Syrians fight for revolution?
25:23||Season 1, Ep. 440What drove Syrians to rise up and overthrow a brutal dictator? ‘Days of Love and Rage’ by Anand Gopal is an intimate account of how one town in Syria joined a revolution. The book took him 8 years to report and write. The Observer’s Basia Cummings and Chloe Hadjimatheou, reporter of the We Call Her Emma podcast series about Asma al-Assad, talk to Gopal about how Syrians took politics into their own hands while facing threats from their own government and then ISIS. Anand Gopal's reporting on Syria and ISIS can be found here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/18/the-open-air-prison-for-isis-supporters-and-victims His book, Days of Love and Rage, can be found here: https://www.plutobooks.com/product/days-of-love-and-rage/
439. “I will never judge you”: A grandmother’s promise
48:19||Season 1, Ep. 439Ten years ago Kim Edwards and her boyfriend, Lucas Markham, who were both 14 at the time, stabbed Kim’s mother and Kim’s younger sister to death. They were both sentenced to life in prison and became the youngest, and among the most notorious, double murderers in Britain. For the first time Kim’s grandmother, Maxine Follows, tells her side of the story, and questions how the criminal justice system treats children. Reporter: Katie GlassProducer: Ada BarumeSound Design: Dominic DelargyArtwork: Lucy StevensonExecutive Producer: Matt RussellEditor: Jasper Corbett
438. The teacher, the school, and the myth of the 'Lucky Boy'
31:17||Season 1, Ep. 438In the late 1980s 14-year-old Gareth had a sexual relationship with his 27-year-old chemistry teacher, Sally-Anne Bowen. His friends told him at the time that he was a ‘lucky boy’. Last week Sally-Anne Bown was convicted of seven counts of indecent assault. The Observer’s podcast series ‘Lucky Boy’ played a part in the case. Basia Cummings is joined by Chloe Hadjimatheou, who reported the story, to discuss the conviction of Sally-Anne Bowen.
437. Paolo Zampolli: Trump’s matchmaker
48:09||Season 1, Ep. 437Paolo Zampolli, the Italian modelling agent who introduced Donald Trump to his future wife, Melania, has gone from the 1990s fashion world to the very top of the Trump administration, joining the small circle of loyalists Trump likes to keep close to advance his brand and influence. It is a story about how power works at the White House and how the distinction between private interests and public office are increasingly blurred.Reporter: Stephen ArmstrongProducer: Jonathan Lewis and Amalie SortlandSound Design: Dominic DelargyArtwork: Emma O’NeillEditor: Matt Russell
436. Why is electroconvulsive therapy still used?
23:21||Season 1, Ep. 436Is ECT therapy safe? Postcode prescribing leaves patients at mercy of psychiatric opinions. Jessica Rawnsley has been investigating what this means for patients
435. My father, the vampire hunter
36:27||Season 1, Ep. 435After a spate of paranormal sightings in 1970s London, debate raged over the existence of a vampire in Highgate Cemetery. Fifty years on, the legend has been taken on by a new generation, fuelled by the world’s longest-running online feudReporter: Francisco GarciaProducer: Poppy BullardSound Design: Dominic DelargyArtwork: Blythe Walker-SibthorpeEditor: Matt Russell
434. What does a mass shooter’s chatbot history reveal?
25:28||Season 1, Ep. 434After a 2025 mass shooting on Florida State University’s campus, investigators found a year’s worth of chat history between the shooter and ChatGPT. MotherJones’ Mark Follman has been investigating what the chat log reveals about the shooter and the chatbot and examines how AI responds when faced with severe warning signs and where the responsibility lies when something goes wrong.Note: This story discusses suicide and violence.Mark Follman's reporting can be found here: https://www.motherjones.com/media/2026/08/openai-chatgpt-fsu-mass-shooting-chat-logs/
433. Ctrl Alt Restore
35:50||Season 1, Ep. 433Rupert Lowe is the MP for Great Yarmouth, and the leader of Restore Britain, a right-wing political party which launched in February this year. So, how did the leader of such a young, fringe party end up appearing as a guest on the world’s most popular podcast? And what does it tell us about how the far-right works? Reporter: Poppy BullardProducers: Amalie Sortland and Ada BarumeSound Design: Dominic DelargyArtwork: Lucy StevensonEditor: Matt Russell
432. What next for Reform and Nigel Farage?
22:32||Season 1, Ep. 432Nigel Farage has been re-elected as MP for Clacton. But that also means a Parliamentary investigation into Farage resumes. So what's next for Reform and their leader?