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Change Of Heart
Tom tells Paul Zollo that it’s “Not one of my great songs. But it’s a good rock song.” I think that simple doesn’t necessarily mean "not great". The beauty of this song is at least partially down to the economy of it: Let the riff drive the melody. Let the rhythm section keep the tempo high and danceable, and let the lyrics tell a story of disenfranchisement and loneliness. Today’s episode looks at Change of Heart, which is the fourth track from the album we’re currently listening to; Long After Dark.
If you want to listen to the track before we dig in, check out the official video: https://youtu.be/d6tOlI2hqMM
If you want to hear the ELO track, Do Ya, that Tom talked about as being the inspiration for this song, you can check that out here: https://youtu.be/piBQ0aRDarM
I also found a video of a fourteen year old Jake Thistle singing this song and really enjoyed his youthful exuberance. Even at 14 you can see the massive talent and love of the music that he has. https://youtu.be/RqhQXTAcf_A
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Logo provided Ed Booth, who you can find here: https://edboothart.com/
The Tom Petty Project is not affiliated with the Tom Petty estate in any way and when you’re looking for Tom’s music, please visit the official YouTube channel first and go to tompetty.com for official merchandise.
A last very special thanks to Paul Zollo. Without his book, Conversations with Tom Petty, this podcast wouldn't be nearly as much fun to research.
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