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The Ted Hughes Society Podcast

The Kingfisher: 'The Catch' part 2

Ep. 2

In this, the second Ted Hughes Society Podcast, Mark Wormald and the poet, priest, musician, and scholar Malcolm Guite look in detail at Ted Hughes's poem, 'The Kingfisher', which can be found on page 70 of River (Faber & Faber, 1983), on page 166 of Three Books Faber & Faber (Faber & Faber 1993), and on page 662 of the hardback edition of Ted Hughes Collected Poems edited by Paul Keegan (Faber & Faber 2003).


Malcolm Guite is an English poet, singer-songwriter, Anglican priest and academic. He was until his recent retirement Chaplain at Girton College, where he continues to be a life fellow. Malcolm holds degrees from the universities of Cambridge and Durham and his research interests include the intersection of religion and the arts, and the examination of the works of Coleridge, Tolkien, C.S.Lewis and Owen Bardfield. Malcolm is the author of five books of poetry, including Sounding The Seasons: Seventy sonnets for the Christian year (Canterbury Press, 2012) and David's Crown: Sounding the Psalms (Canterbury Press, 2021). His critical books include Faith, Hope and Poetry: Theology and the Poetic Imagination (Routledge 2012) and Mariner: A Voyage with Samuel Taylor Coleridge (Hodder and Stoughton, 2018).


The opening music is from String Quartet No 14, opus 13 by Ludwig van Beethoven, performed by the Orion String Quartet. (This extract is reproduced under Creative Commons licence IMSLP:Creative Commons Attribution Non-commercial No Derivatives 3.0.)


The extract from Camille Saint-Saens’s Carnival of the Animals is performed by Neal O’Doan and Nancy O’Doan (pianos) and The Seattle Youth Orchestra conducted by Vilem Sokol. (This extract is reproduced under Creative Commons licence IMSLP: Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0.)

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  • 3. Ted Hughes's Gaudete: Grand Guignol and Folk Horror

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    This is the second episode of the podcast to focus on Gaudete, the book which even admirers of Hughes often find his most puzzling and difficult.      Gaudete began as a scenario for a film in 1962. According to Elaine Feinstein in her biography of Ted Hughes, it was sent to a Swedish film director, almost certainly Ingmar Bergman. However, according to Mark Ford, in an article in the London Review of Books,  Bergman never received it, but from the nascent script Hughes developed the version of Gaudete we have which was eventually published in 1977. In this podcast Mike Wilson looks at the book in terms of its theatricality - examining the drama which is acted out by the characters, and comparable performance traditions including Grand Guignol, folk horror, and burlesque song, in particular The Castleford Ladies Magic Circle by Jake Thackray.    Mike Wilson is Professor of Drama and Creative Arts at Loughborough University. Mike is an expert on Grand Guignol, a form of theatre which alternates short pieces depicting horror and the erotic which was originally performed at the Grand Guignol theatre in Paris. Mike is also an expert on storytelling and folklore, and is director of Loughborough University’s Storytelling Academy which has pioneered Applied Storytelling - using storytelling for social purposes such as exploring strategies to cope with loneliness, and using storytelling as a tool for reconciliation and co-operation between individuals and organisations with opposing or competing aims or views.       Mike’s many publications include Storytelling and Theatre: Professional Storytellers and Their Art, published by Palgrave in 2005; Grand Guignolesque: classic and contemporary horror theatre,  co-edited with Richard J Hand and published in 2022 by the University of Exeter Press; and published this year by Princeton University Press in their Oddly Modern Fairytales series, The Midnight Washerwoman and other Lower Breton Tales, a collection of Mike’s translations. For detailed information on Mike's publications please go to https://publications.lboro.ac.uk/publications/all/collated/eamw4.html and for further information on the work of the Storytelling Academy please go to https://storytellingacademy.education/       If you would like to find out more about the Ted Hughes Society, you can visit the society’s website at thetedhugessociety.org, or you can email me, Mick Gowar, at membership@thetedhughessociety.orgThe opening and closing music is from Beethoven's String Quartet No 14, opus 131, performed by the Orion String Quartet. (The extract is reproduced under Creative Commons licence IMSLP: Creative Commons Atribution Non-commercial No Derivative 3.0.) 
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  • 1. Ted Hughes's 'Gaudete': the vacanas

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  • 4. Ted Hughes and religion: part 1

    22:49
    This is the first of two podcasts arising from conversations recorded with Dr Mike Sweeting on the topic of Ted Hughes’s relationship with religion. Mike's observations included Hughes’s fascination with various pagan and occult beliefs - ranging from his engagement with the Goddess, his fascination with shamanism, and his lifelong practice of astrology - and his antipathy, stated on several occasions, to Christianity, despite having memorably declared that his favourite book was the Holy Bible. Mike is a committed Christian, and a former pastor, he is also a noted scholar of Ted Hughes, having completed a doctoral thesis at Durham University entitled ‘Patterns of Initiation in the Poetry of Ted Hughes 1970-1980’. One of the main themes of Mike’s thesis is the pervasive influence of shamanism in Hughes’s work from early animal poems such as The Jaguar  through to Gaudete. Mike is chair of the International Map Collectors’ Society, a Fellow of the Institute of Directors and a council member of The Ted Hughes Society. He is an expert on mergers and acquisitions in business, and has chaired charities working in deprived parts of NE England, India and Romania. Books mentioned during the podcast inlude:Hughes, Ted (1977) Gaudete. London: Faber & Faber.__________ (1979) Moortown Diary. London: Faber & Faber.__________ (1979) Remains of Elmet (with photrographs by Fay Godwin). London: Faber & Faber.__________ (1992) Shakespeare and The Gooddess of Complete Being. London: Faber & Faber.Lewis, C.S. (2017, originally 1956) Till We Have Faces: a myth retold. London: Harper One.__________in Fox, Denton ed.(1968) Twentieth Century Interpretations of Sir Gawain and The Green Knight. London: Prentice Hall.The opening and closing music is from String Quartet No 14, opus 131, oerfomed by the Orion String Quartet. (The extract is reproduced under Creative Commons licence IMSLP: Creative Commons Atribution Non-commercial No Derivative 3.0.)
  • 3. Tales of wisdom, magic and fish: The Catch part 3

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