The Sustainable Law Podcast

In this episode, Sophia Adams Bhatti is joined by Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan for a deep dive into the carbon cost of AI—from the energy demands of large models to the hidden environmental impacts of everyday digital tools. Bhargav unpacks the origins of AI, what organisations can do to reduce their digital footprint, the innovations and policy that could make AI more sustainable and what law firms in particular need to understand as they adopt these technologies. An essential conversation for anyone navigating the future of AI in a responsible law firm.Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan is currently the AI and Tech lead at the Autonomy Institute, and a Doctoral Candidate at the University of Oxford. His research spans the intersection of AI and society, and has been published at Nature, Cognition, Organisation Studies, and leading annual computer science conferences. He also holds research affiliate positions at the University of Cambridge, University of Chicago, and Stanford University. 

For this special episode Amanda Carpenter returns to the studio to talk to Wangui Kaniaru, Partner at ALN, Kenya. Early on in her career, Wangui was told that rather than justice, law is about trade-offs, incentives and outcomes. Realising that this is a mischaracterisation of the role law can play, Wangui put her head above the parapet to ask questions about climate justice and the role of lawyers and rule of law in a society facing the devastating impacts of the climate crisis.  How can questions of justice serve your clients and lead to more innovative, creative, and durable outcomes? Amanda and Wangui reflect on how to be a thoughtful lawyer, the implications of the ICJ ruling and nurturing hope for future generations. "Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are." St Augustine of HippoWangui KaniaruWangui Kaniaru is a Partner at ALN Kenya. She advises on complex cross-border transactions, restructurings, and regulatory matters and has lived and worked in the United States, Asia and Africa. An Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, she is also deeply engaged in climate change policy and sustainability, examining how corporate law can advance investment in sustainable and ethical business practices and planetary stewardship. Beyond her practice, she explores the intersection of law, governance, and creative expression, using poetry to explore memory, resilience, and belonging.

We spoke to Debra Sobel, Co-Founder of The Purpose Hub, to take a deep dive into ‘purpose’ and its evolving role in a responsible business. What is purpose in a corporate environment? Why is purpose relevant today? How do we articulate purpose to drive responsible growth and profitability, impact and behaviour change? Including advice on how to be purposeful, how to avoid greenwashing and how to protect yourself from ‘ESG whiplash’. This episode is hosted by Sophia Adams Bhatti.

AI, climate change, geopolitics, the rule of law – the landscape of lawyering is changing. Amanda Carpenter and Sophia Adams Bhatti, public policy expert with over 20 years’ experience working across law, financial services, tech, consumer affairs, healthcare, and immigration and asylum, explore the ‘elephants on the horizon’ for law firms and how individuals can have an impact. Also in this episode, Amanda hands the mic over to Sophia, who is taking on the mantle of the new host of the Sustainable Law Podcast.

What does the future hold for law firms? How can legal professionals navigate the rapidly evolving world of ESG? We talked to the outgoing and incoming co-chairs of the Legal Sustainability Alliance, the biggest sustainability network in the UK’s legal sector about the network and the evolving landscape in which it operates. From pushback on ESG to developing client expectations, mitigating climate risk to regulatory requirements, we explore what has changed for law firms over the last decade and what the is coming on the horizon. With Paddy Linighan, Chief Sustainability Officer at Clyde & Co, Caroline May, Partner at Norton Rose Fulbright, Becky Clissmann, Counsel at Ashurst and Matt Sparkes, Sustainability Director at Linklaters.

TCFD offers a multi-layered framework of climate-related disclosures - governance, strategy, risk management, metrics and targets. How do you start? Why start now if it is not mandatory for your firm? What benefits might the process bring? We talked to Independent Consultant Stephen Farrant and Becky Clissmann, an Environmental Lawyer who specialises in ESG and transition to net zero at Ashurst about their experience with TCFD and why making a start now might evoke the change in mindset needed to thrive in an uncertain and evolving climate.

 In this series the Sustainable Law Podcast explores the frameworks and reporting systems that law firms will be considering on their journey to net zero. This episode explores the nuts and bolts of ISO certification; the internationally agreed standards that set out the requirements for an environmental management system. What are ISO14001 and ISO50001? How and when do you make a start? What challenges might you face? How can you engage the firm with the process? What will you gain? Our experts answer all this and more. Amanda Carpenter spoke to Stan Rayfield, Sustainability Consultant, Paul Mullis, Workplace Compliance Manager at Travers Smith and Tom Coulter, a partner in Travers Smith’s Corporate M&A and ECM Group.

Leading UK and international law firms continue to earn millions from fossil fuel related transactions. Meanwhile law students are calling for action– will the student spotlight cause firms to think again or is it hopelessly naive to think anything will change? Do firms care? Episode 3 of the Sustainable Law Podcast explores the tricky issue of law firms who work with the fossil fuel industry and how that is affecting student recruitment and retention. We spoke to Sophia Adams Bhatti, Head of Purpose and Impact at global law firm Simmons and Simmons and Haley Czarnek, National Director of Law Students for Climate Accountability.